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Is America Too Far Gone?
americanthinker.com ^ | 8/1/2014 | Patricia L. Dickson

Posted on 08/01/2014 6:32:14 AM PDT by rktman

A recent poll by The Pew Research Center is reporting that America is more divided than ever. According to the poll, 66% of consistently conservative Republicans think the Democrats’ policies threaten the nation’s well-being and half (50%) of consistently liberal Democrats say Republican policies jeopardize the nation’s well-being. With everything that is going on in our country, all Americans should be united. So, what is it that has us divided? The issues that we are facing effects all Americans on both sides of the political fencefrom foreign policy disasters, wide-open borders to the economy.

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Never seen the country more divided and it seems to me that the ones spewing more and more hate are the libs/progs/socialists/commies/dimokkkrats. More attacking and villifying than I can remember. Their idea of cooperation is doing it their way only with no questions asked. Now that's compromise they can believe in.
1 posted on 08/01/2014 6:32:14 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

Short answer to the question in the title: YES.


2 posted on 08/01/2014 6:33:17 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: rktman
So, what is it that has us divided?

Could it be that half of us are living off the other half?

3 posted on 08/01/2014 6:33:53 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: rktman

America? Yes. Flyover Country? No.


4 posted on 08/01/2014 6:34:22 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: rktman

America? Yes. Flyover Country? No.


5 posted on 08/01/2014 6:34:22 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: madprof98

Yes, because a critical mass of her people have become completely reprobate and incurably evil.


6 posted on 08/01/2014 6:34:30 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: rktman

“Never seen the country more divided”

That’s what happens when you have absolutely no leadership.


7 posted on 08/01/2014 6:34:45 AM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: madprof98

I’m on the fence but it is VERY near the point of no return at best!


8 posted on 08/01/2014 6:34:47 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: madprof98; rktman

Watch Bono: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfuOOwJxsdU


9 posted on 08/01/2014 6:35:01 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: headstamp 2

Oddly enough, a leader is required to have leadership. Seems like there’s no rudder on the boat currently.


10 posted on 08/01/2014 6:36:04 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman
"According to the poll, 66% of consistently conservative Republicans think the Democrats’ policies threaten the nation’s well-being..."

Only 66% of "consistently conservative 'republicans'" think this?! THAT is why we are too far gone. There is no longer an official opposition Party to America's sworn Enemy.

11 posted on 08/01/2014 6:37:23 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: rktman

Reagan’s two landslides seemed like a dead cat bounce when you consider that we elected two GOP presidents who grew the government, had a highly corrupt 2 term Clinton presidency and a 2 term ultra marxist president, Barrack Hussein Obama. I’d say this is a very bad trajectory.


12 posted on 08/01/2014 6:38:10 AM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: rktman

The “Death to America” crowd finally got their candidate into the White House — and they are maneuvering in to deliver a fatal blow to the Republic.


13 posted on 08/01/2014 6:38:33 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: headstamp 2

> That’s what happens when you have absolutely no leadership.

Oh we have leadership alright; it’s just inherently evil and leading the nation straight to hell and the gibmedats refuse to admit their chosen leader is evil or they are just plain stupid


14 posted on 08/01/2014 6:39:21 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: rktman

The federal gov’t is aswarm with Wesley Mouches and worse. We are almost wholely changed from a nation of liberty - do what you want unless it is explicitly prohibited - to a nation of feudalism - do nothing without explicit permission. The (once) sovereign states are now shackled to a behemoth federal corspe that is sinking beneath the waves of history. The time has come for the states to seriously consider whether, indeed, the Constitution is a suicide pact. Shall we all be drowned just because the North won the Civil War?


15 posted on 08/01/2014 6:40:17 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: rktman

too far gone?
yer either gone altogether or not...
matter of fact i just recently onlined the answer to this as “gradualism”...that tells the tale...

Semper Watching!
Dick.G: AMERICAN!
aka: Gunny G
******


16 posted on 08/01/2014 6:41:00 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: rktman

It may not be possible, we may have passed the point of no return. That being said we should never, never, never, ever give up. It would be wrong to do so......


17 posted on 08/01/2014 6:41:17 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: fwdude

I really do not see the GOP as a huge improvement.

BOTH parties are all about sending jobs to foreign countries.

Both parties are selling out America.


18 posted on 08/01/2014 6:41:20 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: fwdude

Kind of like the lyin’king score card. Scary that there are still ~48% that approve? What? So, when enough takers get on board, will his numbers go above 48% approval? I guess it’s those folks who still have the obie/biteme stickers on their cars from both (s)elections. Grrr. (Pitt maneuver in my head.)


19 posted on 08/01/2014 6:43:22 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman
Ending the hordes from Central America infecting (literally and figurately) most communities in the US is an issue that a majority of US citizens agree on. It's the Chamber of Commerce that's the problem....too many DC pols get their marching orders and payoffs from them.

I'd wager that if the HOR passed a bill funding transportation to send invaders home and a 10-mile militarized by US troops DMZ...the northernmost 10 miles of Mexico....it would be overwhelmingly popular.

20 posted on 08/01/2014 6:44:19 AM PDT by grania
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To: Lakeshark

It’s almost like they’re turning it in to a democracy or something where majority rules. Uh, that wasn’t the idea folks. “...if you can keep it.”


21 posted on 08/01/2014 6:45:30 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: fwdude
Game Over, Sayonara, Lights Out...

I heard Dennis Prager say as much the other day.

Decades of leftist monopoly of Education, Popular Culture and Journalism has sealed the deal.

Talk Radio, Free Republic and Drudge cannot reverse or defeat those monolithic politically motivated forces.

I smell toast!

22 posted on 08/01/2014 6:45:37 AM PDT by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: grania

When do we start?


23 posted on 08/01/2014 6:46:23 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: fwdude

I don’t know if you mean to be saying that as hyperbole. In my day-to-day observations, people are openly rejecting God, but still pleasant and nice. It seems like a feather can break the dike to all out evil. IMHO.


24 posted on 08/01/2014 6:49:33 AM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: headstamp 2

I agree


25 posted on 08/01/2014 6:51:17 AM PDT by ginabug
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To: Texas Eagle

We could carry the division just a little further. Like dividing the country into “red zones” and “blue zones”.

Divide the country up by congressional districts, and those that voted “red” in the last election would be in one zone, regardless of state boundaries, and the ones that vote a consistent “blue” put in a number of sometimes widely scattered zones, sometimes multiple zones within the boundaries of one state, and some zones joined between adjacent states. The “red” zone, which would be nearly contiguous, would still maintain the statutory delineations between the states as they existed before, but in many instances, it may be necessary to relocate the state capital, as many of the current locations of state capitals are also in hopelessly “blue” zones, And of course, it would be necessary to relocate the center of the Federal government, simply abandoning the existing structures, perhaps to Oklahoma or some other reliably “red” part of the redrawn map.

The Constitutional form of government would be reaffirmed in the “red” zone, and a very strict border policy set up between the larger “red” zone and the various “blue” zones.

The “blue” zones could then set whatever sort of cockamamie set of rules they want to be governed by, but they would not be allowed to practice those rules outside the “blue” zone. If, for whatever reason, they find themselves in a “red” zone, they have a choice of two - return to a blue zone forthwith, or be subject to arrest, trial, probable conviction and sentencing for “harboring plans for government overthrow”.

We have an example from history and even current events. East Germany and West Germany existed side by side for several decades, and we have the dichotomy of North Korea and South Korea before us even today.


26 posted on 08/01/2014 6:52:47 AM PDT by alloysteel (Most people become who they promised they would never be.)
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To: madprof98
The reason the answer is yes is that far too many do not even realize the extent of the damage and change.

They keep thinking that the next election will change the balance and things will normalize.

The fact is that even far too many congresscritters think the next election can change it all back.

Don't they LISTEN to crazy Nan, whispering Reid, our choom guy president? Nope.

As a Polish minister put it recently in an article--the trouble with America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry that would elect a Barack Obama.

vaudine

27 posted on 08/01/2014 6:53:13 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: rktman

America has ALWAYS fought against big govt types, and we’ll continue to do so...

both foreign and domestic


28 posted on 08/01/2014 6:53:30 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: stevio

Evil can smile lovingly, most certainly, when not openly provoked. But even slightly express conservatism, and you are lambasted, your livelihood is threatened, and your family is targeted, in many cases.

For instance, just publicly affirm true marriage for what it is, to the exclusion of all other fake contrivances, and the smiles will turn to rabid sneers and contemptuous screams.


29 posted on 08/01/2014 6:55:28 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: rktman

The demographic trend (both citizens and illegals) is not our friend.

In a recent WSJ op-ed, Plouffy even bragged how Hispanics are going to turn Arizona, Georgia, and eventually Texas blue and lock in a Democrat/progressive regime for the forseeable future.


30 posted on 08/01/2014 6:57:22 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: rktman

yesterday I learned a friends brother was returned from Afghanistan... via FedEx... and dropped on the front step

I almost lost my sh*t.


31 posted on 08/01/2014 6:58:19 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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I’ve never seen so much anger from the Democrats. I take that as a good sign. I think that shows that they are feeling confused. They are questioning their own view of the world. It may be subconsciously, but they are questioning.
This is a tremendous opportunity for the Republicans. They should run some ads that explain what conservatism is. “We believe in these things....”


32 posted on 08/01/2014 7:00:26 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: rktman

We are all united in the task of dividing the spoils.


33 posted on 08/01/2014 7:04:36 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: rktman

Coming from the Alabama, “Cradle of the Confederacy”, I’ve often wondered about the people who voted for secession, and whether we should have another go at it.

I’ve changed my mind.

We need to kick out the leftist states and their leftist people from the United States.

Maryland, including Wash DC and Northern Virginia suburbs, up through to New England could become New Europe. California, the Portland/Salem Oregon area and Western Washington state could become Leftopia. Let Hawaii become a separate kingdom again. Chicago could join Canada. Eastern Canada could then join the New Europe Socialist Republic. Western Canada would join the United States. Vancouver could join Leftopia.


34 posted on 08/01/2014 7:05:57 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Paine in the Neck

Who was I listening to? I think it was VDH. In 1941 Nazi Germany controlled all of Europe and Saharan Africa, the US wasn’t in the war, the Soviet Union was essentially allied with Germany, Japan was conquering the Pacific, and Great Britain stood alone. How dark were those days! Few would have said that by 1945 Hitler would be dead, Germany surrendered, and Japan defeated.

It’s dark now, and maybe even darker because there are so few real men, but I think men will rise to the need. We will, because we must.


35 posted on 08/01/2014 7:06:41 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: alloysteel

We need to be divided into two separate countries.


36 posted on 08/01/2014 7:10:03 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: rktman

Parts of what is now “America” could survive with a split from the blue states. But as a 50-state entity, this country is indeed too far gone.


37 posted on 08/01/2014 7:11:23 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: demshateGod
How dark were those days!

But America has never been as bitterly factionalized as it is now, save for the Civil War.

38 posted on 08/01/2014 7:12:27 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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short of blood in the streets and a thinning of the herd...

yes.


39 posted on 08/01/2014 7:16:34 AM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: rktman
With everything that is going on in our country, all Americans should be united.

Idiots cannot unite. Much of America has no idea what in the hell is going on and as long as King Obama provides for them they can continue to play like children.

40 posted on 08/01/2014 7:17:01 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: rktman
Not only is America too far gone, but so is the entire world.

When we see and attempt to digest all of the evil around us, and the collapse of America, we find it hard to discern, much less accept.

Unless, that is, we view it from the vantage point of God's foretelling of what will happen.

There is one word to describe why so much of America, and also the world, is spinning out of control: Deception.

The entire world is deceived by the Satan, and deceived by their own wicked hearts.

The deception is massive, and it is global.

America is falling apart economically, militarily, socially, morally, spiritually, legally, and politically.

Why do millions of Americans believe Obama, and everything the Democrats and the media say? Because of this:

"For many, of whom I have often told you and now tell you even with tears, walk as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things."

Philippians 3:18-19 _______________________________________________

"We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one."

1 John 5:19

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If we attempt to 'rationalize' the mass deception of American and the world, we run into the great "BUT WHY?!" that perplexes, frustrates, and astounds us. It is only through the lens of God's truth that we can understand. Humanity is coming apart at the seams. So what are we to do?

Here is what we are to do: each one of us must go to God in prayer, and get ourselves right with Him in these remaining days. All of us are sinners, myself included. Each one of us has sins that need to be confessed to our Father. If one has not confessed to the Savior and asked for salvation, that is the first step. To those of us who have, we need to recommit ourselves to Him, confess, repent, and pray.

"Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. On account of these the wrath of God is coming."

Colossians 3:5-6

Look around us, what do we see? Diseases, pestilence, war, lawlessness, selfishness, immorality, and evil.

America will fall under the same Antichrist system that then entire world will fall under. We have no special escape clause.

But each one of does have the option, and privilege, to get right with God.

41 posted on 08/01/2014 7:19:30 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: headstamp 2

“Never seen the country more divided”

That’s what happens when you have absolutely no leadership.


Ding ding ding, we have a winner!
You have never been more right in your life.
So far, only Ted Cruz and Palin to an extent are leading the country. No Boehner, no 0bummer, no one else at all are leading. Not that I want them to, however, it is kinda like your kids; they need to be told do this, do that...but not like 0bummer is dictating, like that it is in love.


42 posted on 08/01/2014 7:20:40 AM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Refuse to remain silent.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

the “blue” part would make Mexico look good in a matter of years..

We’d need walls, fences, armed guards basically a well militarized boarder with them.

They are already fleeing blue states and infesting red ones. This has to be stopped to keep them from destroying the red half.


43 posted on 08/01/2014 7:20:55 AM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: rktman

>>The issues that we are facing effects all Americans

Stopped reading there. Essayists who can’t spell aren’t worth reading.


44 posted on 08/01/2014 7:23:33 AM PDT by Lisbon1940
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To: rktman
liberal Democrats say Republican policies jeopardize the nation’s well-being

Keep in mind, when Democrats talk about "the nation", they really mean their "cushy government jobs".

45 posted on 08/01/2014 7:23:51 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: fwdude; F15Eagle
Yes, because a critical mass of her people have become completely reprobate and incurably evil.

Agree - see my post #41.

46 posted on 08/01/2014 7:24:27 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: ScottinVA

The way things are right now is better than civil war, but civil war is preferable to where we’ll be in 10 years. Even though it’ll be ugly. We’re coming out of a lugubrious fog and into the unhinged factioning you’re talking about. Maybe a better student of history can predict the next phase. I can’t. I don’t think things can keep going as they are though. There are too many well armed people who don’t like it.


47 posted on 08/01/2014 7:24:33 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

when the market crashes and the government checks stop.. that is when the war will start.


48 posted on 08/01/2014 7:30:26 AM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: alloysteel
The Constitutional form of government would be reaffirmed in the “red” zone, and a very strict border policy set up between the larger “red” zone and the various “blue” zones.

And there is the rub.

No nation or nation state in human history has been able to successfully carve out its own niche and separate itself from the surrounding peoples without a strong military to back up the separation with both violence and force.

It is "government" reduced to its core - there must be the law of war to govern the action of independence itself.

The day may come where a state like Texas decides it has had enough, and the governor or the people launch their own National Guard or citizen military into action.

It may take a lot of force, or it may take less - it depends on how strong the other surrounding states or the Federal government itself is at the time. To put it another way, if the entire Federal government were in collapse, the states that wanted to could more easily declare their independence (see: Soviet Union).

When the South succeeded from the North, the North was far from weak. In fact, it was much more populous and industrial than the agrarian South.

We live in interesting times.

49 posted on 08/01/2014 7:33:58 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: BenLurkin

I think the fatal blow has been delivered in the form of some of those executive orders that allow for the seamless imposition of what amounts to martial law: control of the internet, authorization of FEMA camps, the arming of DHS and other bureaucrat departments. Its enough to make anyone who looks turn into a conspiracy nut.
The judiciary is there to rubber stamp any decisions with the curious idea that no one has “standing” to challenge a damn thing the government does or says or imposes.
The press manipulates public opinion and the gibmedats are out numbering the producers.

I think the blow has been dealt. Just a matter of closing a few loose ends.


50 posted on 08/01/2014 7:34:10 AM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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