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Impeachment is all we have left (Saturbray)
www.braylog.com ^ | 8/2/14 | bray

Posted on 08/02/2014 8:41:13 AM PDT by bray

Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. James 1:22 NIV

Now the latest talking point by the DNC is that only Republicans impeach presidents. They conveniently forget their attempt of impeaching Bush over the supposed outing of a paper pusher in the basement of the CIA. Of course the Marxist establishment attempted to make her into a female version of 007 when in reality she was nothing more than a glorified secretary and this minor indiscretion was made into the crime of the century. Right up there with Bush lied about the WMD which they had endless hearings on only to find no deception by his administration whatsoever. Does anyone really think these were not supposed to lead to his impeachment?

So we have an outraged Marxist media and their Party making it sound as if the President has done nothing wrong when a few years earlier they sent a man to jail in an attempt to impeach Bush. They were outraged that a Democrat activist working in a gummit agency was revealed, but have no issue at all that a gummit agency was targeting American citizens. Apparently, if the CIA was targeting citizens whose only crime was dissent, that is fine as is the destruction of incriminating evidence as long as it is against Tea Partiers or as the President calls them, Tea Baggers. Our watchdog media would have been right at home in Nazi Germany.

We got a brief glimpse inside the mind of IRS head Lois Lerner when a non destroyed email had her calling Tea Partiers a__ho_s and terrorists with one of her fellow IRS heads. Wonder what other names and incrimination is on those conveniently lost records? This is the same lady, and I use the term loosely; who met with the President 150 times during the first four years of his administration. America is supposed to believe this community organizer who knows that money is the lifeblood of his reelection was not making sure she stalled their tax exemption? This is the same guy who had his political opponent’s divorce records unsealed to win his Senate race, so this was a no brainer to stop the momentum of the Tea Party.

So the same group who sent Scooter Libby to jail for three years and destroyed him financially are incensed that anyone would even consider impeaching this crook. If Nixon was impeached for threatening to use the IRS on his political enemies and supposedly destroyed 30 seconds of recording tape, we are now supposed to ignore the actual use of the IRS on your political enemies and the destruction of hundreds of hours of email conversations.

The conventional wisdom, the Three Pillars (academia, media and the DNC) say that impeachment will help their messiah. They believe the people will rally around the presidency and be repulsed by his impeachment trial. That may be true if you have the Clinton machine behind them and they can laugh it off as only about sex, but this is about attacking American citizens with the strength and power of the gummit. A large number of Americans still understand the concept of fair and the only thing less popular than congress and gridlock is the IRS. When it is shown there was a coordinated effort to make his opponents’ lives miserable with an all powerful entity his favorability levels are going to flat line.

Are the Three Pillars really saying that if and when Republicans capture the White House it is fair game to go after Marxist groups with gummit agencies? After all if they are going to make the case that all of this corruption is fine when they are in charge it has to be fine when they are not.

Will it be ok to close down these temples of indoctrination? Can we go after the Unions and assorted groups with spy agencies and shut them down? Can we spy on the media without any concern for their privacy rights? These questions have to be brought into the light and allow the voting public to cast their votes on whether America decency no longer exists or do we now have a country that can bully its citizens? Say what you want about GW Bush he respected the American people and they respected him. Those days are over since we have a president who dislikes America and despises his political enemies. We are at a real crossroads in this country and especially in his Party do these means really justify the ends?

We have enough questions about law breaking to begin impeachment proceedings which is nothing more than an investigation of those infractions. It is nothing more than a check against an executive branch that is using the power and strength against its own people which we have seen. The only question now is who was directing this illegal use of the IRS and cover up. We have to know whether or not he is so vindictive he would order his cabinet to break the law and use their offices to harass and harm American taxpayers. If he did then he needs to pay a price as do all of his leaders who did the actual acts.

The precedent has been set with Scooter Libby who the Dems used to get Bush impeached and was sent to jail for 30 months before he was pardoned. It was also set time and time again with the Dem committees to find evidence of lying over and over from the Truther investigations to WMD and any other thing they could invent to destroy Bush’s administration which they finally with the help of the Three Pillars accomplished after years of vicious attacks and false charges. The Republican Party does not have a willing media that will investigate any of these actual crimes due to loyalty to their Marxist agenda. This in addition to a corrupt Attorney General there is no check for a corrupt Executive Branch and that is an investigation and impeachment. The founders brilliantly put this in the Constitution to prohibit the President from deciding he is a king and could dictate from the Executive Branch where all the power is concentrated.

We are now in a Constitutional crisis as the Marxists have taken control of this country through the front door. They are on the verge of turning our democracy into a dictatorship to make slaves out of the masses through the use of gummit agencies like the IRS, NSA, EPA, FBI and whatever agency they require to control the people. The people have one check and balance and that is the congress where this can be stopped, although it will take courage and dedication to the freedom our founding fathers envisioned. It will take faith in the American people to want freedom more than Obamaphones. It won’t be about Party, elections or career enhancement it will be about starting to bring down the Three Pillars and relighting Lady Liberty’s torch. It is time to go back to 1776 and throw out a corrupt king.

Pray America wakes up


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1 posted on 08/02/2014 8:41:13 AM PDT by bray
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To: bray

What about Nixon?..


2 posted on 08/02/2014 8:45:47 AM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: bray

We don’t even have impeachment as an option, if actual removal from office is the goal. No way in the world will 67 Senators vote to convict.


3 posted on 08/02/2014 8:46:37 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: bray

Then we have nothing.


4 posted on 08/02/2014 8:50:31 AM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: ScottinVA

It is not about conviction, it is about the truth. This is the only way to get it out and once he is in the low 30s don’t count out 67.


5 posted on 08/02/2014 8:51:41 AM PDT by bray (Palin/Bibi 2016)
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To: chris37

“Then we have nothing.”
You are correct. We will have Biden.


6 posted on 08/02/2014 8:52:36 AM PDT by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: bray

What about revolution?...
Why was the 2nd amandment given?..

Actually it was given for when impeachment is not possible..
you know................ LIKE NOW....


7 posted on 08/02/2014 8:53:22 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: ScottinVA

Not unless the states hold an article 5 and repe the 17th amendment and put the states back in control.


8 posted on 08/02/2014 8:54:23 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: bray

Impeachment is all we have left.
No there is that 2nd Amendment thing. That’s all we have left.


9 posted on 08/02/2014 9:01:26 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: longfellow

Are we willing to lose another 1/2 million men? He won’t have the same Rules of Engagement against Americans he gives to Mooselips.


10 posted on 08/02/2014 9:16:32 AM PDT by bray (Palin/Bibi 2016)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%; abclily; AbeKrieger; AFPhys; airborne; Alan H; Allegra; Always Right; ...

enough brayin


11 posted on 08/02/2014 9:18:12 AM PDT by bray (Palin/Bibi 2016)
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To: bray

The article is illogical as is the argument. Impeachment is not about justice, it is a political remedy. In politics, truth is very much a bystander. The actors are all politicians and they will behave in a political fashion, not as a legal proceeding.

As for impeachment itself, if Articles of Impeachment are delivered by the House, the Senate must sit in a trial and it form and function changes, but it’s makeup does not. As in the Clinton impeachment, a Senate trial can end without examination of evidence, and without a vote on the Articles, so what is left is political theater where the other side has every opportunity to write their own script. The outcome is predetermined by the political will of the parties involved and the Republicans are incapable of delivering a single Democrat vote and cannot deliver all of their own votes to boot.

Impeachment is a pathway to failure that can only serve to bolster Obama. Obama understands this, the media understands this. Many conservatives choose to believe in a fantasy that can never be.


12 posted on 08/02/2014 9:19:20 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: bray
If the object is to make some kind of moral message about a tyrant then it would accomplish that but at the risk of a political catastrophe for our side. It could possibly happen in the house but has no chance in the senate where 67 votes are needed. We have to take the senate in November to slow down this moron until we can gain the presidency to reverse his idiocy. Assuming we have enough conservatives to over rule the rinos!!!
13 posted on 08/02/2014 9:20:34 AM PDT by ontap
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To: centurion316; bray

It was tough enough with Clinton, but we had such outstanding rhetoric from a “Scottish Law” expert. I don’t see that a better scenario exists with the Democrats in charge. As a moral victory, the charges would be in the Congressional Record for a while, until the hard drive crashes.


14 posted on 08/02/2014 9:27:14 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Enterprise

The Democrats, of course, could care less about moral victories, they only want real ones. And, they will get a big one if this idea goes forward.


15 posted on 08/02/2014 9:30:01 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: duckman

I can just hear Kenyan in front of a crowd now. Impeachment? Is that all they got? They’re gonna impeach me for just doin’ my job? (LIV laughing in the background)


16 posted on 08/02/2014 9:30:16 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: chris37
Then we have nothing.

He's the President.


17 posted on 08/02/2014 9:30:20 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: bray

Yes, Obama deserves to be thrown out of office. But...the sad reality is, there is no way the Republicans can muster enough votes in the Senate to accomplish it. No way. Now how.

Impeachment is the briar patch Obama wants to be thrown into. He is practically begging for it.

All the talk of it does is incite Obama’s base to come out to vote when many would be otherwise demoralized and staying home on election day.

In a perfect world, impeachment would be the way to go. But, we do not live in such a world. We live in this one. So, let’s not let the demand for the ‘perfect’ solution be the enemy of the doable one; and what is doable is punishing Obama through a great victory in November.


18 posted on 08/02/2014 9:30:23 AM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: centurion316
Sorry, I am not the defeatist you are. You are only following conventional wisdom which has gotten us where we are. You are following the path of least resistance and simply because you say it won't work then it won't. If you don't try of course who can prove you wrong.

Explain why his numbers dropped 6 points this week when all the news was his impeachment? Follow my path and it will drop another 6. Politics isn't about logic, it is about leading and works much like golf. You hit right for the ball to go left and vice versa.

19 posted on 08/02/2014 9:30:43 AM PDT by bray (Palin/Bibi 2016)
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To: centurion316

“Politics is the art of delaying any decisions until the issue is no longer relevant.”


20 posted on 08/02/2014 9:32:13 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: centurion316

So are you on the Romney campaign since he is polling the best and has the best chance of winning?


21 posted on 08/02/2014 9:32:36 AM PDT by bray (Palin/Bibi 2016)
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To: hosepipe

“You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it’s evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world”

Beatles - Revolution


22 posted on 08/02/2014 9:34:55 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: bray

No, just DEFUND HIM. The House has that power and could do it in an afternoon!


23 posted on 08/02/2014 9:35:19 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ($$$$$$$$ DEFUND OBAMA! $$$$$$$$$)
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To: bray
 photo thefinalsolution_zpse9ae0f41.jpg It could go a whole lot worse than you can imagine.
24 posted on 08/02/2014 9:35:52 AM PDT by RetSignman (obama: "For the love of Alinsky, how much more do I have to do to get them to impeach me"?)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

But what about the soldiers and Soch Security people. That is cruel and heartless. That has worked out well. What else you got? Elect more Rinos?


25 posted on 08/02/2014 9:38:32 AM PDT by bray (Palin/Bibi 2016)
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To: tophat9000
What about Nixon?..

Nixon RESIGNED after GOP leaders told him they could no longer defend him. He was NOT impeached.

26 posted on 08/02/2014 9:38:47 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: bray

I would like to share on Facebook - is there a link somewhere where this might be posted other than FR?


27 posted on 08/02/2014 9:39:03 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: bray

Please.
Obama could drop to the 20s and still not one democrat will vote to remove him from office. They’re perfectly fine with the collapse of the country, so long as they think they’ll get to rule what’s left. To those people, the PARTY’s interests rule the day, not those of the country.


28 posted on 08/02/2014 9:42:03 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: UCANSEE2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ex-m-eEKsg


29 posted on 08/02/2014 9:43:11 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: ScottinVA

You sure about that? You sure Harpy wouldn’t want to stab him in the back?


30 posted on 08/02/2014 9:46:13 AM PDT by bray (Palin/Bibi 2016)
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To: bray

You seem to be changing the subject, that’s usually the tactic of someone who is losing the argument. No, I have nothing whatever to do with the Romney campaign, never have had, never will.


31 posted on 08/02/2014 9:49:18 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: ScottinVA
"No way in the world will 67 Senators vote to convict."

There are too many traitorous Senators (look for the "D" after their name). When you see a car with a demonicrat bumpersticker you know the person inside is a co-traitor to the United States. Be wary of such wicked people.

32 posted on 08/02/2014 9:49:27 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: centurion316
...so what is left is political theater where the other side has every opportunity to write their own script.

The other side will write their own script whether we impeach or not. With impeachment, we get off our cowering rear ends and we articulate a truthful message. We rally the people who don't like Obama and we send a message to the remaining people that Obama deserves to be impeached.

Impeachment is a pathway to failure that can only serve to bolster Obama.

Nonsense. You don't know that. What we do know is that doing nothing, not standing up to the Democrats is utterly destroying our country. It's deflating the opposition and its sending a message to others that Obama doesn't deserve to be impeached.

33 posted on 08/02/2014 9:49:40 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
With impeachment, we get off our cowering rear ends and we articulate a truthful message.

We have many options to achieve this purpose, Impeachment is not one of them. The purpose of impeachment is to remove a President, it has no other object. This we cannot do given the current political makeup of the Senate, therefore it is a completely irrational course.

34 posted on 08/02/2014 9:55:44 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: UCANSEE2

And yet many argue that by some miracle, we can move forward with the political act of impeachment and avoid this obvious fault. Politicians are not going to change their stripes simply because the Senate convenes as an impeachment trial.


35 posted on 08/02/2014 9:59:22 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: bray

It will take the senate. Which we don’t have. And even if we did I suspect McCain, Alexander, hatch, Collins, just to name a few, would find a reason not to convict, along with all of the dims. Still, send it to the senate and make them vote. Show the country who the dirt bags are.


36 posted on 08/02/2014 10:02:10 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

You miss the point..they were heading for impeachment....the fact the dem got the results they wanted without actually impeachment is kind of irrelevant....he was the only President pushed out of office
The threat of impeachment was the weapon....


37 posted on 08/02/2014 10:04:06 AM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: tophat9000

I don’t miss the point at all, and neither does Obama. It would be very foolish for the Republicans to “take impeachment off the table”. It would be a fundamental change to our Constitution without the consent of the people, for one thing.


38 posted on 08/02/2014 10:06:39 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: centurion316
With impeachment, we get off our cowering rear ends and we articulate a truthful message. We rally the people who don't like Obama and we send a message to the remaining people that Obama deserves to be impeached.

The purpose of impeachment is to remove a President, it has no other object.

It can have other objectives.

In an earlier post you said impeachment was a political act. Now you are saying that it's purely technocratic.

It is not, and there is no reason why we should allow it to be.

With impeachment, we articulate a truthful message, we rally the people who don't like Obama and we send a message to the remaining people that Obama deserves to be impeached.

And I would add, we go after politically the Democrat senators in red states who vote against it.

In the alternative course of inaction, the opposite happens.

39 posted on 08/02/2014 10:09:12 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Nuc 1.1
Still, send it to the senate and make them vote. Show the country who the dirt bags are.

Yes.

40 posted on 08/02/2014 10:10:13 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: bray

Impeachment is a Democrat tar baby.


41 posted on 08/02/2014 10:13:57 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: bray
The truth and we all have known this from the beginning is ONLY impeachment or the 25th amendment being enforced.
42 posted on 08/02/2014 10:14:14 AM PDT by mware
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To: bray

As I have said before, In the current media environment, Impeachment would be an absolute mistake.

What we should be doing is stating very clearly, and loudly that everyone in this administration, ESPECIALLY THE MINIONS, will be held personally accountable for the crimes and abuses that have been committed.

“Personally” meaning THEY have to pay for their own attorneys, and will do jail time when convicted.

The threat of actual criminal charges against the low-level minions will shake up that cone of silence. Obama can’t pardon everybody, and if he does, that in itself is proof enough to go after them.


43 posted on 08/02/2014 10:18:31 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
the Cold War was fought with a weapon that was never fired..

impeachment can be used as a political weapon without actually firing it

Rush has been good of late on this..impeachment is a political weapon of last resort....

you do not need to use but neither do you forbid it use...

think of it like a Cold War nuke..the threat can be used to put a rouge in check

We have rogue president out to destroy this country we are in a cold Civil War

44 posted on 08/02/2014 10:20:18 AM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: Mike Darancette

If by some chance we win in 2016 then we can go after him. My recommendation for AG is Trent Gowdy.


45 posted on 08/02/2014 10:21:27 AM PDT by mware
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To: tophat9000
you do not need to use but neither do you forbid it use...

Exactly!

46 posted on 08/02/2014 10:25:10 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: tophat9000
The threat of impeachment was the weapon....

Was a weapon, but not the main weapon, as that remains the propagandist Media, which more than ever controls public perception and opinion.

47 posted on 08/02/2014 10:30:15 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: tcrlaf
As I have said before, In the current media environment, Impeachment would be an absolute mistake.

Numerous Gallup polls show that almost nobody trusts the current media.

We should not be afraid of them and do the right thing.

48 posted on 08/02/2014 10:31:10 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Well that was the first sentence of the articles, the Democrats talking point of late is only Republicans impeach.

I say that’s a blatant falsehood, Democrats impeach..

The fact that the Democrats got to there goal of removing a president before they actually submitted articles of impeachment is irrelevant.

It also shows how much impeachment is a political weapon. The Democrats were able to leverage the power of media to get Nixon ...vs the Republicans inability to leverage media with Clinton..


49 posted on 08/02/2014 10:33:48 AM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: bray

If the media were not totally in the tank for Obama he would have been hounded out of office just like Nixon. While Obama has done many thing worthy of impeachment, it would be a repeat of the Clinton impeachment with Democrats in lockstep in support and the media bring up the chorus. I say wait until November when there is a GOP landslide and both houses of Congress are in Republican hands. Obama will be backed into a corner and if he continues to ignore Congress with his executive orders then consider impeachment. I believe that not just a few Democrats are worried about Obama suddenly legalizing this flood of immigrants as the American people including minorities are opposed to such a move. Obama’s impeachment and removal from office could then be quite bipartisan.


50 posted on 08/02/2014 10:37:32 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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