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Kennedys pushing Warren to run against Hillary in 2016
NY Post ^ | August 3, 2014 | Edward Klein

Posted on 08/03/2014 3:39:12 AM PDT by Zakeet

In an echo of 2008 — when Ted and Caroline Kennedy backed upstart Barack Obama over Hillary Rodham Clinton — members of the Kennedy clan have been quietly wooing Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren and encouraging her to throw her hat in the ring, sources tell me.

The question of whom to back in the 2016 presidential race has split the Kennedys down the middle. Robert Kennedy’s widow, Ethel, and their eldest son, former US Rep. Joe Kennedy II, favor Warren — the darling of the party’s left-wing base who now sits in Ted Kennedy’s old seat — while Bobby Jr. and Max Kennedy remain loyal to Hillary Clinton.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 2016election; carolinekennedy; elizabethwarren; hillary; hyannisport; kennedy; massachusetts; tedkennedy; warren
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To: Covenantor
"She looks as if she about to burst out "Die fahne hoch..." In Wagnerian volume."

Nothing like a rousing chorus of "Der Horst Wessel Leid" in the morning ...

41 posted on 08/03/2014 9:58:31 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Pachelbel --- The original one-hit wonder.)
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To: Zakeet

Well, Elizabeth Warren is WAY more qualified than Sarah Palin was. /s


42 posted on 08/03/2014 10:04:14 AM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: BlueLancer

Ooh ooh ...she’s got to be wearing spit shined calf high boots. High kicking it the way they used to do. My trigger finger tickles.


43 posted on 08/03/2014 10:17:56 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Covenantor
How do you say versimilitude in Cherman?

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44 posted on 08/03/2014 10:24:15 AM PDT by Liz (Another Clinton administration? Are you nuts?)
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45 posted on 08/03/2014 10:25:07 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Soul of the South
Yours is a very good post and I endorse every word of it. I seek only to extend it by noting that the factors played upon by the Democrats will be amplified by the media. We have seen that happen last cycle, by way of example, with "legitimate rape" which was magnified by the media to the extent that it wrecked a winning Senate campaign in what should have been a safe seat.

I fear that we are going into this election cycle and in 2016 as a divided political entity-I hesitate to call us a party-in which the moneyed establishment part of the party is intimidated by the media and so they offer statements up which the media exploits to prove that the conservative side of the party is too radical for prime time. The media consistently drives wedges into the Republican Party leaving it splintered and ineffectual and those wedges so often have to do with race or gender.


46 posted on 08/03/2014 10:42:03 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Liz

Gott Im Himmel!

He looks more feminine than her.

And I am quite sure I don’t want to see her “baton”.


47 posted on 08/03/2014 11:10:27 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Covenantor

Her baton........ROTFLOL....goot von.


48 posted on 08/03/2014 11:16:50 AM PDT by Liz (Another Clinton administration? Are you nuts?)
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To: nathanbedford

I agree with your points, particularly with respect to the media which is the propaganda arm for the progressive movement and its political organization, the Democrat Party.

A free press presenting competitive points of view to the public is essential for a free republic. Unfortunately the corporate press of today is something the founding fathers could not have envisioned. The broadcast media companies, and their pipelines to the public (the big cable companies) are firmly aligned with the Democrat party and the progressive vision of a socialist state. Most markets today have effectively only one newspaper and the newspapers are owned by media conglomerates who also are allied with big government and the progressive agenda.

Conservatives rely on alternative media (the internet and talk radio primarily) to reach the public but these vehicles lack the reach of the mainstream media. In addition it is only a matter of time before progressives use the power of the state to regulate speech on the internet and on talk radio. Fox News, the only balanced mass media network is owned by the aging Rupert Murdoch and will almost certainly fold in line with the other mass media outlets once he fades from the scene and his media empire is dissolved or professional managers take over.

To restore a vibrant free press, one or more of the major networks (NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN) needs to become an outlet for the conservative point of view. It would be extremely helpful to the cause of liberty if a conservative or libertarian billionaire purchased one of the major networks in the same way Warren Buffett purchased Media General and Jeff Bezos purchased the Washington Post. In the days of the founders even small towns had competing newspapers and pamphleteers. Today significant economies of scale are required to support a news organization and editorial staff capable of disseminating messages nationally. Unless a wealthy patriot steps up to buy a major network, I fear it is only a matter of time until the federal government snuffs out free speech on the internet and talk radio. Once all media outlets support only the progressive point of view, the state will be supreme and capable of carrying out all kinds of abuses without the people knowing.


49 posted on 08/03/2014 6:36:32 PM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: Soul of the South
it is only a matter of time before progressives use the power of the state to regulate speech on the internet and on talk radio

I fear you are absolutely right about this. The left is relentless and their time horizon is as elastic as is necessary to accomplish their aims, witness their century long commitment to enact Obamacare. Their endurance would rival that of the Chinese. Their recent attempts to strangle free speech on the Internet is only the preliminary skirmish in a war which they are prepared to wage until we are exhausted. Most well-intentioned Americans are not even aware of what is coming.

If we are convinced that a top down approach to political sanity probably cannot work because the media dominates the process, we might feel one more layer of the onion and ask what influences the media? You properly point out the financial control progressives exert over the media. I had not been aware of Warren Buffett's purchase of Media General but that is very frightening. I had been aware of his participation in the Washington Post and its affiliated companies beginning with his relationship with Katharine Graham but I had not known that it had matured into ownership across the board.

Is there another layer below financial control of the media? I think there is the matter of intellectual conceit. If Harvard and Yale dominate American law, Columbia and a few other institutions dominate American media. The influence is subtle and I think best described as "intellectual conceit" which lays down a menu of political correctness which locks the media in place. We are all familiar with how the New York Times defines what is newsworthy for the day and we see how the electronic media conforms to that dictate. For a reporter or an editor in a lesser publication or in a regional television newsroom to deviate from the established order is to betray oneself as a Philistine.

We see this phenomenon at work in our eleemosynary institutions such as our great foundations like Ford, Rockefeller, Pew and others originally established by their benefactors with conservative values animating the gift but over time the professionals insinuate themselves onto the boards and guide the institutions to the left. This is also a matter of intellectual conceit.

We know this is at play in academia. The college campus has become one of the most fascistic pieces of geography in America. The intellectual conceit at work there is not covert but very much in your face. Gown seems to have a need to say, "fuck you" to town.

In many of these institutions, especially the college campuses, we see progressives somehow funding themselves with our money. College tuition costs have gone through the roof as academicians have learned how to farm the government. Our foundations flourish in a tax-free environment. So in peeling off layers of the onion, we see that we have multiple institutions, many not mentioned here such as unions, especially teachers unions, hospitals etc. funded with public monies in some manner or other which makes these institutions immune to the frictions of capitalism and, worse, insulates them from the popular will.

All of this comes together in Washington. We Americans somehow sense that this Leviathan is out of control and the visible evidence of it appears to be the shenanigans in Washington. So we blame Washington or we blame the politicians there when they are only the symptom of a progressive infiltration of our entire culture.

How then do we reform our politics if we cannot reform Washington? We know the top down approach will not work because it has not worked. The system is defended by the media, our own institutions and our own tax dollars. I do not think for a moment that even rank progressives who dominate the Senate are unaware of the looming threat represented by our $17 trillion debt and our $120 million or more set of unfunded liabilities. I cannot believe they do not care because they make a religion of "caring."

I think they are in a psychic cage and can do no other.

The only approach for which I see even a glimmer of hope is the Article V movement and that hope, as feeble as it is, exists only because it attempts reform from outside Washington.


50 posted on 08/03/2014 7:41:54 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Sans-Culotte

I have no doubt that Elizabeth Warren will be the next POTUS, and have been saying so for a very long time.


51 posted on 08/04/2014 6:25:25 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: nathanbedford

” I do not think for a moment that even rank progressives who dominate the Senate are unaware of the looming threat represented by our $17 trillion debt and our $120 million or more set of unfunded liabilities.”

The collapse of the dollar and the economy is coming within the next five years. As the pre-election September 2008 financial crisis demonstrated, the left has the ability to precipitate an economic crisis in order to achieve political objectives and has the capability to coordinate such efforts with foreign powers. While we the people have been told the cause of the 2008 crisis was due to a bad mortgage bubble, there were certainly deliberate actions by a few actors who caused a run on US banks at a specific moment in time. This run on the banks caused the stock market crash and the subsequent sharp downturn in the economy. Certainly those in power, in both the Bush and Obama administrations, know who the forces were tipping the scales in September 2008. However that information has not been shared with the public nor have any of the bad actors been brought to justice.

The absence of any real effort to investigate these actions, or protect the economy from a future concerted attack of this kind, suggests the power structures of both political parties are more allied with protecting the Wall Street establishment, and concealing the actions of foreign powers (likely Russia, China, and some of the Middle East oil states) than the American people. It is clear federal government and Federal Reserve policies since the 2008 crisis have been designed to impose the costs of malfeasance and poor management by the Federal Reserve, the US Treasury, and the “too big to fail banks” on the public instead of the bondholders, shareholders, and management who would suffer if we had a free market economy.

I fear the next economic crisis, a major meltdown, will also be triggered for political ends. In a dollar meltdown scenario, where other nations refuse to use the dollar to settle accounts and hyperinflation appears rapidly, I can see a progressive president declaring a national emergency, sending Congress home, and assuming “temporary” dictatorial powers.

It is also conceivable if somehow the GOP wins the White House in 2016, as well as the House and Senate, a financial crisis could be triggered in late 2017 or early 2018 with the Republicans being fully blamed by the media and public for the crash. In that scenario the Democrats would capture overwhelming majorities in the House and Senate in 2018 allowing them to block any action by the Republican president for the next 2 years while blaming he/she for the economic depression. By the election of 2020 demographics and the perceived failure of Republican rule will set up the nation for a decades long period of one party rule. With control of enough statehouses as well it would be possible for the progressives to amend the Constitution to formally institutionalize an all powerful central authority.

My other near term concern is the Supreme Court. Over the past 50 years it has become highly politicized. Leftist Supreme Court justices, will read whatever they wish into the language of the Constitution and laws passed by Congress. Scalia and Kennedy are reaching the age they could leave the Court at any time. If one of them leaves the Court before the end of the current administration it is certain Obama will appoint another far left justice and the balance on the Court will be shifted forever. Even if the Republicans win the Senate in 2014, I don’t see a RINO Republican majority having the backbone to fight a radical leftist Obama Supreme Court nominee, much less rejecting one. Based on his past behavior, Obama and the Democrats would relish such a confrontation and will likely nominate a radical leftist female and/or minority so they can blame any opposition on sexism and/or racism.

If Scalia and Kennedy make it to 2017, and there is a RINO Republican in the oval office (Jeb Bush, Romney, Christie), I have no expectation a conservative will be nominated to the bench. We’ll see a moderate Harvard or Yale law school graduate who will turn to the left once on the Court.

With respect to the Article V movement, I also have little hope. Any amendments drafted by such a convention would have to be ratified by 3/4 of the states to become part of the Constitution. Progressives control more than 1/4 of the states so any amendments limiting the power of the federal leviathan would certainly be rejected by the legislatures of those states unless there was such a groundswell of public opinion in favor the state legislators would fear for reelection. I don’t see the poorly organized conservative movement, with most of the media against them, being able to create that groundswell of public opinion in states such as Massachusetts, Maryland, New York, California, Connecticut, Illinois, Rhode Island, Vermont, Oregon, Maine, and others.

While at this moment I have little hope, I do not suggest giving up the fight. It is always dark before the morning light. There are still enough Americans alive who remember better times and believe in the historic concept of America. Plus the progressives are not yet fully in control. History gives us many examples of good besting evil when times seemed darkest. A series of events none of us can anticipate may yet occur to wake up enough of the American people to force radical change. Add a dynamic, patriotic, and visionary leader and many things are possible.


52 posted on 08/04/2014 7:11:59 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: nathanbedford; Soul of the South

Great analysis guys, but really not worth your time. The fact that an unpopular Muslim ‘rat president like Obama who has wrecked the economy, wrecked the healthcare system, betrayed our ally Israel and dissolved all national borders can be followed by another socialist ‘rat of the same ilk shows that all that need be said is “game over”. It is pointless to talk about a “divided GOP”, and “the best candidate to stop Hillary/Warren”. With a media that has become an Orwellian propaganda arm, we will never “get the word out” ever again.


53 posted on 08/04/2014 7:51:37 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: Soul of the South; Sans-Culotte
I think Soul of the South and I would stipulate that your pessimism is not misplaced. But I think both of us would make two responses to that pessimism that are expressed in Soul of the South's reply:

First, we may not despair, that is not an option, we must carry on or betray our heritage. My ancestors did not fight in every war since and including the French and Indian war for me to cravenly throw away what they vouchsafed to me and mine. More, turning my face from the past and looking to the future, I have no right to give in to the counsel of despair, we fight the good fight for our children and grandchildren because to do otherwise would be to shamefully betray our ancestors.

Second, I have long been of the opinion that the Article V movement probably cannot prevail without a "Black Swan" event that moves the country as one toward reform. If you look at the reply of Soul of the South, I think you will see that he is predicting such an event and within five years. I agree, although I'm not sure of the timeline.

Stonewall Jackson said, "never take counsel of your fears" and Churchill echoed that sentiment saying, "never despair." I have faith that fate has yet a few more cards to play because the God of our fathers will not turn his face from us.


54 posted on 08/04/2014 9:45:18 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

It is conceivable a black swan event could be a Christian religious revival. It may be the current younger generation, or their children, will rebel against the cold soul less oppressive secular state by rediscovering the path to eternal salvation through Jesus Christ. We had a great awakening in the early 18the century and early 19th century and a smaller resurgence in religious fervor beginning about 1904. Certainly history shows that when an increase in government oppression is combined with a decrease in standards of living and hope for a better future for ones children the population often turns to religion for hope.


55 posted on 08/04/2014 7:16:21 PM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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