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Trial over Oklahoma City bombing evidence wraps up; FBI accused of threatening witness
KFOR ^ | 01 Aug 2014 | Dallas Franklin and KFOR-TV

Posted on 08/04/2014 11:04:22 AM PDT by Theoria

The trial over evidence and conspiracy theories from the Oklahoma City bombing wrapped up in Salt Lake City, with a shocking twist.

According to KSTU, the trial is over documents and a videotape the FBI allegedly had from the 1995 bombing that killed 168 people ended on Thursday.

Jesse Trentadue, who claims his brother was killed in an interrogation by federal agents when he was mistaken for a bombing co-conspirator, is suing for the records.

The Salt Lake City man says his requests under the Freedom of Information Act for surveillance tapes from around the bomb site have not been fulfilled.

He claims there is a videotape which shows a Ryder truck pulling up to the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building on the morning of April 19, 1995, pulling into a stall and two people walking away from it.

Three minutes later, Trentadue claims, the bomb goes off.

“It shows two people at the scene and the government says it only shows one,” Trentadue said. “McVeigh and one suspect. That second suspect may be one of their undercover guys.”

The FBI insists the videotape simply does not exist. Today they called three retired FBI agents who worked the Oklahoma City bombing investigation to the witness stand. Each of them insisted no such tape existed.

To bolster his case, Trentadue introduced into evidence an FBI lead sheet that had been heavily redacted. It claims that the ATF and FBI had “prior knowledge of the bomb” and the agencies had attempted to set up a “sting operation and did not take the bomb threat seriously.”

The trial stems from Trentadue’s overall case against the government over the death of his brother, Kenneth.

In 1995, Kenneth was picked up in Oklahoma on a parole violation. Jesse Trentadue alleges his brother was mistaken for an Oklahoma City bombing co-conspirator and beaten to death during an interrogation.

However, the FBI insists Kenneth Trentadue hung himself in his prison cell.

The FBI claims they have provided Jesse Trentadue with everything he has asked for and everything they have.

During the trial, Trentadue claimed one of his witnesses had been told not to show up – or else.

Trentadue said John Matthews, whom he claimed worked as an undercover government operative in the militia movement in the 1990s, had been contacted by an FBI agent and told “it would be best if he didn’t show up to testify.”

“He was told he should take a vacation and that if he did testify he should suffer from a case of the ‘I don’t remembers,’” Trentadue told U.S. District Court Judge Clark Waddoups.

Trentadue told KSTU that Matthews had known convicted bomber Timothy McVeigh and had worked for the government in an operation targeting the patriot militia movement known as “PATCOM.”

“He was part of an operation the FBI ran for a decade during the ’90s where they would infiltrate, and it’s questionable whether they incited the right wing,” he told KSTU.

FBI lawyers denied the allegation and said it was Matthews who had contacted them asking how he could get out of testifying. Lawyers told the judge Matthews could not be located to testify.

“This is a serious accusation,” Judge Waddoups said.

The judge ordered the FBI agent who spoke with Matthews to appear before him next month in a hearing to ferret out the truth.

“The government spent 20 years and who knows how much money to cover up this ugly story,” Jesse Trentadue told KSTU. “And the ugly story is there is no doubt the FBI knew at least four months in advance the Murrah Building was going to be bombed and didn’t stop it.”

Judge Waddoups took Jesse Trentadue’s FOIA lawsuit under advisement. A ruling is expected by the end of the year.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: bombing; fbi; mcveigh; okcbombing; oklahomacity; trentadue
From another story, the judge makes a point:

Waddoups ordered the federal attorneys to look into it. On Thursday, Department of Justice attorney Kathryn Wyer said the FBI in Utah told her that Matthews reached out to the agency to ask how he could get out of testifying. Wyer called Trentadue's version of events "another wild theory" that is inaccurate.

But Waddoups said the allegation merits more attention, and he set a court date of Aug. 25 for the agent to testify.

"We can't just leave this where it is," Waddoups said. "It's too serious of an allegation. We need to get to the bottom of this."

1 posted on 08/04/2014 11:04:23 AM PDT by Theoria
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To: Theoria

PatCom..? I thought it was PatCon, Patriot Conspiracy, headed up by the SPLC. Yes, McVeigh was an agent and they were going to take down all the “militiamen”.

The whole time they copied those tapes the FBI had guys in there the wholetime and they NDA’ed all the contractors.


2 posted on 08/04/2014 11:13:21 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Theoria

Interesting to note that our “beloved Eric Holder” has involvement in the OCB aftermath...


3 posted on 08/04/2014 11:18:36 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: gaijin

Read Somwhere that between 5%-20% of “Millita” Members are fed plants.....

That doesn’t surprise me at all...


4 posted on 08/04/2014 11:19:58 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: Theoria
“It shows two people at the scene and the government says it only shows one,” Trentadue said. “McVeigh and one suspect. That second suspect may be one of their undercover guys.”

Whoaaahhhh! That's the first I've heard John Doe #2 was a Fed agent.

5 posted on 08/04/2014 11:25:04 AM PDT by newfreep ("Evil succeeds when good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke)
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To: newfreep
'Whoaaahhhh! That's the first I've heard John Doe #2 was a Fed agent. '

Kinda a given on other alternative media views.

6 posted on 08/04/2014 11:27:06 AM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: Theoria

Wow!

Thanks for the post.


7 posted on 08/04/2014 11:27:28 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool])
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To: Theoria

That document in the picture seems suspect.


8 posted on 08/04/2014 11:28:52 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: AppyPappy

I would expect any document being generated by the FBI to have the FBI Seal on it...


9 posted on 08/04/2014 11:31:08 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ...)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Where is the document bottom and what is under the stuck-on label?


10 posted on 08/04/2014 11:32:56 AM PDT by Rockpile
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To: MeshugeMikey

Exactly! This is a bunch of crap to make people on the right seem like uber-suspcious conspiracy whackadoos.

Any official FBI document would have FBI letterhead on it.


11 posted on 08/04/2014 11:32:57 AM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: MeshugeMikey

“removes all doubt” is an awfully subjective and convenient statement.


12 posted on 08/04/2014 11:33:45 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: Rockpile

Also, since the agencies involved were uninvolved why all of the black marker?


13 posted on 08/04/2014 11:35:01 AM PDT by Rockpile
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To: AppyPappy

removes all doubt+settled science....


14 posted on 08/04/2014 11:36:04 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ...)
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To: gaijin

Certainly mass murderer McVeigh must have been violently ferocious in resisting arrest.

And his getaway vehicle must have been perfectly maintained and carefully driven to avoid attracting attention.


15 posted on 08/04/2014 11:37:27 AM PDT by Rockpile
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To: MikefromOhio

Bingo

We can determine that a Birth Certificate is INVALID...yet are supposed to miss the fact... that an FBI doc...doesnt appear to BE a FBI document


16 posted on 08/04/2014 11:37:41 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ...)
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To: Rockpile

the same bozos that concoted the Obie Birf Certificate....THE LONG FORM and the short.....came up with this new “document” as well?


17 posted on 08/04/2014 11:38:45 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ...)
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To: Theoria

Previous to this article, JD#2 was the “shoe-bomber”.

I’m disappointed that Nichols’ known visits to the Philippines and contacts with al-queda linked terrorists has not been pursued by any media.


18 posted on 08/04/2014 11:40:33 AM PDT by newfreep ("Evil succeeds when good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke)
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To: AppyPappy
Here is another of a internal memo from the FBI.

You can see the similarities in form. If it was suspect I'm sure the FBI would have denied it at trial.

There are plenty of other documents and such at a interesting article from Mother Jones. All interested parties about this case should read it.

In Search of John Doe No. 2: The Story the Feds Never Told About the Oklahoma City Bombing

19 posted on 08/04/2014 11:42:00 AM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Looks like that document is cropped at the top (there is handwriting in the upper right that is cut off. The logo is probably there, just cropped off.


20 posted on 08/04/2014 11:52:28 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: Theoria
AG Eric Holder had his fingerprints all over this story. Here's an older article:

AG Eric Holder was responsible for 168 deaths in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing…and more

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2822262/posts

“Documents obtained by Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit show then Clinton Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder authorized members of the FBI to provide explosives to Oklahoma City bombing criminals Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols immediately prior to the April, 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah building.

Holder had authorized the FBI to provide the explosives to McVeigh and Nichols in conjunction with a Clinton Administration undercover operation named PATCON, an acronym for “Patriot Conspiracy.” As Jesse Trentadue describes it, “PATCON was designed to infiltrate and incite… militia[s] and evangelical Christians to violence so that the Department of Justice could crush them.”

Both Waco and Ruby Ridge are now known to have been PATCON inspired, Department of Justice plots. Shortly after the Oklahoma City bombing, Holder instructed FBI agents to recover from Terry Nichols any remainder of the explosives the Bureau had provided him and McVeigh.

To the chagrin of Eric Holder, the explosives were later discovered by another agency, complete with the fingerprints of both Nichols, McVeigh and 2 FBI agents.

Holder had reportedly offered Nichols respite from the death penalty for his cooperation in recovering the explosives. Obviously the Deputy Attorney General considered covering up his criminal complicity in the bombing eminently worth sparing Nichols just punishment for the murders of 168 innocent Americans.

Jesse Trentadue accidentally came across PATCON while investigating the murder of his brother Kenneth at the hands of the Clinton Department of Justice.

An FBI informant familiar with the Oklahoma City bombing story, Kenneth was found hanged in his cell after having been jailed by the FBI. Though an official FBI report had listed Kenneth as a suicide, it was obvious that he had been severely beaten and his throat cut….”

21 posted on 08/04/2014 12:31:30 PM PDT by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict

Sounds like a dry run for “Fast & Furious”.


22 posted on 08/04/2014 12:37:57 PM PDT by jim_trent
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To: FR_addict
In the older article, Trentadue was awarded money and the FBI was found guilty of lying and destroying evidence.

“Upon Jesse taking the federal government to court, a federal judge ruled that the FBI had not only lied about Kenneth Trentadue’s death, the Bureau was also found guilty of having destroyed evidence concerning the case. In 2001 the Trentadue family was awarded $1.1 million, $250,000 of which remains a reward for information leading to the conviction of Kenneth Trentadue’s killers.”

23 posted on 08/04/2014 12:39:26 PM PDT by FR_addict
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To: Theoria

Another CLUNTON COVER UP, like flight 800.


24 posted on 08/04/2014 12:39:45 PM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Theoria

“The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror”
by David Hoffman


25 posted on 08/04/2014 12:42:03 PM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: jim_trent

This story never got the traction it deserved. There was a second John Doe, who was never identified. The people that worked at the rental truck company said there were two and the investigators originally put out two images, one was the spitting image of McVeigh, the other was pulled. If the rental truck guys were good enough to help produce such a good image of McVeigh, why was the second image pulled.


26 posted on 08/04/2014 12:45:01 PM PDT by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict

Yes it appears there were 2 men with the van according to Terry Nichols, this article is by Jayna Davis from 2011. Jayne Davis believes the unnamed terrorist is Middle eastern though.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/confession_of_the_oklahoma_cit.html

From the Article linked above:

During the interview, the convicted bomber unleashed a startling admission: John Doe 2 exists. The FBI report states, “Nichols advised that John Doe 2’s name had not been mentioned during the (FBI) investigation, and therefore, he feared for his life and his family’s well-being should it become public.”


27 posted on 08/04/2014 2:03:58 PM PDT by WonkyTonky
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To: Theoria

Obviously not a smidgen of evidence exists.


28 posted on 08/04/2014 2:57:17 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Theoria

The FBI lies, constantly about all kinds of crap.
Along with most federal gubmint agencies.
Do not trust ANY aspect of obammy’s federal gub mint.


29 posted on 08/04/2014 3:26:51 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: Theoria

The FBI lies, constantly about all kinds of crap.
Along with most federal gubmint agencies.
Do not trust ANY aspect of obammy’s federal gub mint.


30 posted on 08/04/2014 3:27:30 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: Joe Boucher
Do not trust ANY aspect of obammy’s federal gub mint.
31 posted on 08/04/2014 3:30:45 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: FR_addict
"As Jesse Trentadue describes it, “PATCON was designed to infiltrate and incite… militia[s] and evangelical Christians to violence so that the Department of Justice could crush them.”"

Ah, this sounds just like Fast & Furious. Run guns to the drug cartel. Bust the gun stores and gun shows and crush them to cut off access to guns by the American People.

Isn't this a pattern of activity? Isn't that evidence?

Impeach Holder. We've just had the second anniversary of his Contempt of Congress vote and nothing has happened to Holder.

32 posted on 08/04/2014 8:04:33 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

No, it doesn’t look cropped, it looks fake.


33 posted on 08/08/2014 12:03:16 AM PDT by MikefromOhio
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