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Farm Is Fined for Refusal to Hold Same-Sex Wedding
New York Law Journal ^ | August 18, 2014 | 1 Comments | John Caher,

Posted on 08/18/2014 1:33:39 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

An Albany area farm which rebuffed efforts by a same-sex couple to hold their wedding at the site has been fined $10,000 and ordered to pay the women $1,500 each for their mental anguish.

In New York State Division of Human Rights v. Liberty Ridge Farm, 10157952/ 10157963, Administrative Law Judge Migdalia Pares of the Bronx rejected the owners' argument that the farm, which is their home, is not a place of public accommodation and is therefore not subject to the anti-discrimination provisions of the Human Rights Law.

the Giffords are considering their next step, including a possible appeal based on the Hobby Lobby ruling.

(Excerpt) Read more at newyorklawjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; liberalfascism; liberty; ridge
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1 posted on 08/18/2014 1:33:39 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Cow Manure


2 posted on 08/18/2014 1:36:06 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits n firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The Giffords need a Cousin Vinny who could visit the couple and strongly suggest they withdraw their complaint.


3 posted on 08/18/2014 1:37:31 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Do they allow others to have weddings there? The article requires a sign-up to read.


4 posted on 08/18/2014 1:37:42 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow

does it matter?

I let people in my house, does that mean I cannot choose not to let someone in my house?


5 posted on 08/18/2014 1:39:38 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

If you have a business charging admission to your home, then you could not discriminate.


6 posted on 08/18/2014 1:43:12 PM PDT by Lisbon1940
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Mental anguish my posterior... More likely rabid, suing, litigious, lesbo, starts with a “b” and ends with an itch (es).

You mean these poor downtrodden lesbos couldn’t find the million other places where they could hold their sham wedding.


7 posted on 08/18/2014 1:43:19 PM PDT by A message
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To: DBrow
"The matter involves the Liberty Ridge Farm, a picturesque venue in northern Rensselaer County where Cynthia and Robert Gifford offer their facilities for celebrations, ranging from Sweet 16 parties to corporate events. They also advertise the site's availability for weddings and host about a dozen nuptials annually."
8 posted on 08/18/2014 1:46:09 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Lisbon1940

Businesses discriminate all the time. That Google ad program declines gun-related ads for one thing.

They should have started a private membership organization that people can join to get the ability to hold weddings there. lol.


9 posted on 08/18/2014 1:46:58 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Guilty.


10 posted on 08/18/2014 1:47:37 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: GeronL
I let people in my house, does that mean I cannot choose not to let someone in my house?

I think the key is whether or not the "house" is actually a house or (at least temporarily) a business establishment.

You have complete control over who may come into your house But that's less true with a business establishment.

Having said that, this is an obvious case where a religious exemption should apply.

11 posted on 08/18/2014 1:47:53 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Oh, so they this was a cattle farm?


12 posted on 08/18/2014 1:48:37 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Lisbon1940

If I have a business of any kind, I can discriminate all I like. I can choose to do business with anyone I want to. It is called free enterprise.

When the government is telling you who you can and cannot do business with, therein lies tyranny.


13 posted on 08/18/2014 1:48:57 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: GeronL
Businesses discriminate all the time. That Google ad program declines gun-related ads for one thing.

That is a great point.

14 posted on 08/18/2014 1:49:02 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

More beef there than at a Wendy’s.


15 posted on 08/18/2014 1:49:59 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

“they” fined them?
Tell “them” to shove it.


16 posted on 08/18/2014 1:50:45 PM PDT by envisio (Its on like Donkey Kong!)
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To: ConservingFreedom



Aaaahh Farm Life.
17 posted on 08/18/2014 1:52:37 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
New York State Division of Human Rights

The problem identified.

18 posted on 08/18/2014 1:53:14 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Are they the betrothed or just members of the herd?


19 posted on 08/18/2014 1:53:27 PM PDT by muglywump (Seven days without laughter makes one weak.)
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To: Bulwyf

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 put the camel’s nose under the tent for this kind of oppression. It’s why Goldwater voted against it.


20 posted on 08/18/2014 1:54:14 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

And not long from now it’ll be a church


21 posted on 08/18/2014 1:54:45 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (If you're on the same side of Ferguson as Al and Jesse, then you F-ed up somewhere. Rethink it dummy)
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To: A message

It was the best of times, it was the worst of time and now it is the end of times.


22 posted on 08/18/2014 1:55:02 PM PDT by Maudeen ("End Times Warrior - Sinner Saved by Grace")
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To: Leaning Right
You have complete control over who may come into your house But that's less true with a business establishment.

Funny that. I can think of at least a dozen high end stores, galleries in mid-town Manhattan that have buzzers and armed guards in blazers or fine suits. True, some of those might have discrete tiny plaques that read "By Appoinment Only" but what the hey.

23 posted on 08/18/2014 1:55:20 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
NEXT NEWS ....

Farm CHURCH Is Fined for Refusal to Hold Same-Sex Wedding
24 posted on 08/18/2014 1:57:15 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

A clear violation of the 1st amendment’s right to peacefully assemble.


25 posted on 08/18/2014 2:00:39 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: GeronL
"Do they let others?
"does it matter?"

It shouldn't, unless they charge. And then I'd question their claim that it's not a place of public accommodation.

But still, matters of traditionally questionable morality should not be forced on businesses. It's different than civil rights.

26 posted on 08/18/2014 2:01:19 PM PDT by DannyTN (I)
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To: GeronL

I let people in my house, does that mean I cannot choose not to let someone in my house?

Correct, this is known as “hope and change”. Since you once let someone into your house it would be discrimination to not allow anyone who wants to come in to do so. This is reflected in our open border policy.


27 posted on 08/18/2014 2:04:30 PM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun free zones?)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

So let them host the wedding. And do such a rotten obnoxious job that no LGBT will want to book there again. Make it a miserable affair just within the limits of the law.


28 posted on 08/18/2014 2:08:20 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: DBrow

Yes


29 posted on 08/18/2014 2:09:58 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: ConservingFreedom

Ooooooh THAT’s why they wanted to do the wedding on the farm. They are cows !

Mooosbians !


30 posted on 08/18/2014 2:12:26 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: BigEdLB

Like.


31 posted on 08/18/2014 2:17:45 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; GeronL

Two cows got upset or something?


32 posted on 08/18/2014 2:20:13 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (ISIS has started up a slave trade in Iraq. Mission accomplshed, Barack, Mission accomplished.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

I don’t see ROBERT in that picture.


33 posted on 08/18/2014 2:21:26 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (ISIS has started up a slave trade in Iraq. Mission accomplshed, Barack, Mission accomplished.)
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To: jacknhoo

I don’t usually ridicule someone’s appearance, but because of the way these two BROADS troubled the people with the farm, they have the insult coming...


34 posted on 08/18/2014 2:25:15 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: GeronL

In cattleman lingo: “Freemartin”.


35 posted on 08/18/2014 2:33:31 PM PDT by februus
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To: ConservingFreedom

It ain’t like the movies...


36 posted on 08/18/2014 2:36:07 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Holy cow! No wonder they couldn’t get real husbands; two heifers on parade.


37 posted on 08/18/2014 2:37:27 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: GeronL
I let people in my house, does that mean I cannot choose not to let someone in my house?

That's coming, at least for protected species like homosexuals or Teens or Moslems.

38 posted on 08/18/2014 2:38:26 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Well, they deserve each other, certainly.


39 posted on 08/18/2014 2:39:30 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Argus

Yes.


40 posted on 08/18/2014 2:40:24 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: DBrow

Might be pertinent: http://libertyridgefarmny.com/

Looks like a large scale family farm. We have these locally to me and some do in fact offer lots of weekend events, pick your strawberries, corn mazes etc.

BUT...BUT...these are actual homesteads first and foremost.


41 posted on 08/18/2014 2:40:29 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: Bulwyf

“If I have a business of any kind, I can discriminate all I like. I can choose to do business with anyone I want to. It is called free enterprise.”

Nope.

Ever since the civil rights movement, businesses lost autonomy over who they serve or do business with. You only have as much freedom as the government decides to give you. You cannot refuse to serve black people, or Muslims, or women, and in many parts of the country you can no longer refuse to serve homosexuals. The battle was lost half a century ago, once it is established that government runs all businesses, forcing you to cater a homosexual wedding is a tiny step.


42 posted on 08/18/2014 2:48:40 PM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: DBrow

See here: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Farm-owners-fined-for-declining-to-host-same-sex-5689486.php?


43 posted on 08/18/2014 2:48:56 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: EBH


44 posted on 08/18/2014 2:49:15 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

I think I recanize those two-—aren’t they Washington Redskins Hogettes? If I could just see them in a purty flowerdy Amar-sized dress I’d know fur shure. They automatically qualify for entry into my next Big Girl Team draft, or at least one does. There’s a dike in there somewhere?


45 posted on 08/18/2014 2:49:30 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: EinNYC

Since it’s a farm it could be fertilizer spreading time. Maybe hog killing time. Maybe even rodeo season. Farms are not always mellow, quiet places?


46 posted on 08/18/2014 2:54:44 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I don’t agree with the homo sex discrimination laws but it’s poor lawyering to defend the client claiming their farm is a family home and therefore not subject to the owners’ “argument that the farm, which is their home, is not a place of public accommodation and is therefore not subject to the anti-discrimination provisions of the Human Rights Law” When their website clearly advertises as a business.

http://libertyridgefarmny.com/gifford-barn/


47 posted on 08/18/2014 3:04:33 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: BurningOak

The ‘public accomodations’ portion of the 1965 Civil Rights Act did away with personal property rights.

Goldwater warned this would be the outcome.


48 posted on 08/18/2014 3:08:45 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: cherokee1

Truth be told, I am not a farmer, although I always enjoyed visiting them as a child. Seems to me that it’s a bit early for hog-killing time. I thought that took place in the cold part of the fall. I don’t know when it’s fertilizer spreading time, although I would think that would take place before spring planting. Rodeos on a farm that advertises itself for weddings and other social events? Kind of doubt it.


49 posted on 08/18/2014 3:27:22 PM PDT by EinNYC
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Seems they would be a lot more predisposed to “mental anguish” because they are two unnatural deviants who abuse each other with toys. Refusal of service at some farm is pretty mild compared to all that.


50 posted on 08/18/2014 3:31:30 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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