Posted on 08/21/2014 11:58:28 AM PDT by tcrlaf
-Ukrainian official claimed troops moved in just as the city was poised to fall -But they have since been forced to deny the allegation after strong rebuttal -If true it would have been tantamount to an invasion of Ukraine by Russia -Putin set to meet Ukrainian president Poroshenko in Belarus on Monday
Muddled security officials in Ukraine were last night forced to deny a huge Russian military convoy had been deployed in the eastern rebel-run city of Lugansk.
The strong rebuttal suggested an earlier claim about an invasion by Vladimir Putin's troops amounted to a crude propaganda move by the pro-Western Kiev government, or deep confusion in its own ranks.
The original allegation of a Russian column arriving in Lugansk came from Lt-Gen Igor Voronchenko, head of the Ukrainian Anti Terrorist Operation (ATO) in the city, and was backed by military analyst Dmitry Tymchuk.
"There are tanks, Grad artillery, APCs, accompanied by about 1,200 men dressed in the army uniform of Russian Federation" the general was quoted saying in an assertion calculated to alarm the West.
Yet there was no confirmation on Wednesday from NATO or other Western sources which was widely reported inside Ukraine.
The claim was also contradicted closer to home by Kiev's National Security and Defence Council spokesman Andriy Lysenko who dismissed it as "strange". "Intelligence is not confirming the existence of this column" he said.
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Western Media has started calling out some of the claims Kiev has been making recently, because facts on the ground aren't supporting them.
Or maybe there’s this thing called fog of war, where rumors abound and false information sometimes spreads. I’m sure it’s never happened in any prior conflict... /sarc
“Ukraine has destroyed the majority of a Russian military convoy which crossed over its border on Thursday night, the country’s president said yesterday. {Aug 14th}
Petro Poroshenko claimed his forces had attacked the column of armoured personnel carriers and that most had been ‘eliminated’ – but warned Russian arms continue to flow in to rebel fighters.
The Ukrainian president revealed details when he spoke on the phone to David Cameron”
The Russians are an odd lot. The separatists are recruited in Russia, trained in Russia, and supplied from Russia (even paid, in some cases), but the Russians feel that it is important to deny that they are regular Russian troops.
“The Ukrainian president revealed details when he spoke on the phone to David Cameron””
Yet another attempt by Kiev to get Wetsren intervention in the Civil War, it seems.
Glad the US has never done anything like that. Regular Russian forces aren't involved in the fighting -- or if they are, it's been to a very limited extent. I can speculate about why that may be the case, but I think the fact is self evident.
Bay of Pigs, huh? Not a very good comparison. I’m sure you can find better.
The Russian defense Ministry denies that ATO forces captured Russian APC
https://twitter.com/BBC_ua/status/502531377364221952
No evidence, huh? Nothing like a BMD-2 captured from the Russian federation Pskov airborne brigade to spoil that fake narrative, along with the 2 tanks that went through Torez last night with their Russian Federation flags flying, not to mention the Russian Federation self-propelled howitzer,....
“Yet another attempt by Kiev to get Wetsren intervention in the Civil War, it seems.”
Why don’t you take your Civil War fraud and go peddle it somewhere else. Those are Russians recruited by the Russian Federation to engage in war crimes in a Russian invasion of the Ukraine. In times past the Russian mercenary terrorists would be tried, convicted, and executed as unlawful combatants lacking any valid commission to engage in warfare.
But Russian intervention is AOK right?
“an earlier claim about an invasion by Vladimir Putin’s troops amounted to a crude propaganda move by the pro-Western Kiev government”
That’s the thing — they’ve still got this old Soviet mentality that their citizens are obligated to believe whatever clumsy propaganda the government spews. How is that in any way “pro-western”? It isn’t even pro-modern. Sounds like EU globalist fascism to me.
Whatever happened to this story?
Ukraine said it destroyed much of a column of Russian armored vehicles that had rolled over the border into territory held by pro-Moscow rebels, marking the most direct military clash between the ex-Soviet neighbors since the conflict began.
Why not? I think it's a pretty good comparison. The US Government identified, recruited, armed and trained Cuban opponents of Castro. The Russian government identified, recruited, armed and trained Ukrainian opponents of the Kiev regime. The relative merits of the two interventions aside, it seems like pretty much the same move by powers who were trying to effect regime change in a neighboring state, but didn't want to get their hands too dirty by directly invading.
The major difference I see is that there seem to be somewhat more Russian boots on the ground in Eastern Ukraine than there were American boots on the ground in Cuba, but any difference is marginal and hard to really measure. The overall approach seems to be the same. And there’s no reason to believe that regular Russian Army units are engaged at all (because if they were, the Ukrainian Army wouldn’t be winning!).
Don’t forget that, in order to make a proper Bay of Pigs comparison, it would require that the U.S. train, transport, and supply U.S. citizens to Cuba in order to make Cuba the 51st State.
But the real hoot is watching and listening to Russians whine about propaganda.
US personnel (mainly CIA) provided air support and some were on the ground in Cuba. Several were killed. BTW, there's zero evidence that Russia is interested in conquering all of Ukraine. They're trying to weaken or replace the Kiev government. Which is exactly what the US tried to do in the Bay of Pigs. The analogy stands.
Please identify any contemporaneous communication from Putin that he intends to carve a portion of Eastern Ukraine for himself. You won't find one. In any event, you're being pedantic -- obviously there are differences between the Bay of Pigs and the current situation. My point is that the methods of the Russian government in supporting the Ukrainian rebels are substantially similar to the methods of the US government in backing the Bay of Pigs forces, and have similar rationales.
First, there is a brazen lie, widely reported by the Western MSM.
Then there is a sheepish U-turn from Kiev junta.
Followed by the deafening silence of Western MSM.
The only exception is MH17, no U-turn yet, but there is a deafening silence of MSM since August 8.
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