Posted on 08/24/2014 8:58:11 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
Russian-Backed Separatists Parade Ukrainian POWs
02:06 (GMT)
Russian-backed separatists took the occasion of Ukrainian Independence Day with military parades in Kiev to organize their own grisly parade in Donetsk of Ukrainian POWs they have captured.
The parading of POWs is a violation of the Geneva Convention.
Russia's state TV LifeNews and Rossiya 24 broadcast the parade; RT.com showed only "captured Ukrainian military hardware."
(More photos and details at link)
Post them, Russkie
Here is a link to a vid of just one of RS’s summary executions. (WARNING: GRAPHIC) This doesn’t even begin to cover the Mauriopal massacre, or the election day killings, or some of the events Amnesty International cited.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmPAwcKCMAAElKU.png:large
Why are you trying to deny this?
There is a conspicuous lack of video from that link, Russkie, which is just a picture. Googling it just now, I can find no source for it. All the images seem to go to Chinese websites where, naturally, I can't understand anything.
At this point I will point out that Russkies also like to stage photos to blame on the Ukrainians. For example, staged video of Ukrainian POWs, dressed up as Russian POWs, being tortured by Russkies, poorly dressed up as Ukrainians.
The Russkies have responded by claiming that the Ukrainians staged the staged video themselves. Story here:
http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2014/08/evidence-of-pow-torture-and-trying-to.html
Another example, Russkie torturers, who have filmed themselves abusing Ukrainian POWs, also caught staging Nazi-Ukrainian photographs. As seen here:
http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2014/08/graphic-ukrainian-pows-captured.html
Post it Russkie, let's see it.
I let this pass earlier since I was quick to post the photograph. But how is it that the National Guard is a "paramilitary," when it is part of the Ukranian army? Furthermore, even battalion Azov, which is a volunteer battalion and accused of being "Nazi," (although, even that American patriot recently killed in Ukraine was a member of it, and was no Nazi) is itself a part of the National Guard and has trained Ukrainian officers working within it. Its formation was authorized by the Ukrainian government itself. As for "privateers," who are these people that you are referring to?
There is no exception from international standards of treatment as POWs. Any person captured fighting for a government in any conflict is just as much a POW whether he is a professional soldier, a conscript, a volunteer, a policeman, an irregular, a militiaman, a home guard, a guerilla, or even a foreign mercenary. As long as they are sanctioned by the government and answer to that government they are lawful combatants.
His task is to translate Kremlin propaganda into what Americans could buy. They were posting articles from notorious commie rags like The Nation and Counterpunch before they got scolded. In most cases it has meant he just has to insert Obama or Kerry into something and hope some fish will bite.
“There’s no argument over the choice between peace and war, but there’s only one guaranteed way you can have peace—and you can have it in the next second—surrender.”
In the passage above they’d try to insert Obama and Kerry and advocate for surrender.
Still with the Kremlin propaganda Russkie. They are POW’s and parading them is a violation of Geneva Convention.
“But how is it that the National Guard is a “paramilitary,” when it is part of the Ukranian army?”
Nat Guard is not under Army Command, but under the personal command of Parubiy.
The Right Sector and Kolomoisky Militias do not answer to the Army, either. Even the Kiev-1 and -2 battalions are paramilitary, and outside of the Army chain of command.
That makes them “Paramilitary”.
Technically, the Kolomoisky battalions, and the other Oligarch run units would be considered “Privateers”, or “Mercenaries”, but the point is still the same.
This disunified command has caused MANY problems for Kiev, with different, often competing, political and military goals for each group really hurting the performance in the field. (an example being Lyashko’s grandstanding for the cameras)
I am really stunned that you still continue with the fiction about the Right Sector battalions, even the OSCE has begun calling them out, specifically.
http://us6.campaign-archive1.com/?u=b11aceda364f8f9afa6cadbbb&id=6b2a6319ba&e=3612d1ad47
(The OSCE also notes the growing number of anti-conscription demonstrations in Ukraine, as well.)
“Still with the Kremlin propaganda Russkie.”
What is it with you and this “Russkie” BS, anyway?
I am not spreading Russkie bs, you are Russkie.
Here is the relevant text. It is from Article 4 of the Third Geneva Convention:
Convention (III) relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949. Prisoners of war
ARTICLE 4
A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:
(1) Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.
(2) Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, incuding those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfil the following conditions:
(a) that of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
(b) that of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
(c) that of carrying arms openly;
(d) that of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
(3) Members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power.
(4) Persons who accompany the armed forces without actually being members thereof, such as civilian members of military aircraft crews, war correspondents, supply contractors, members of labour units or of services responsible for the welfare of the armed forces, provided that they have received authorization from the armed forces which they accompany, who shall provide them for that purpose with an identity card similar to the annexed model.
(5) Members of crews, including masters, pilots and apprentices, of the merchant marine and the crews of civil aircraft of the Parties to the conflict, who do not benefit by more favourable treatment under any other provisions of international law.
(6) Inhabitants of a non-occupied territory, who on the approach of the enemy spontaneously take up arms to resist the invading forces, without having had time to form themselves into regular armed units, provided they carry arms openly and respect the laws and customs of war.
B. The following shall likewise be treated as prisoners of war under the present Convention:
(1) Persons belonging, or having belonged, to the armed forces of the occupied country, if the occupying Power considers it necessary by reason of such allegiance to intern them, even though it has originally liberated them while hostilities were going on outside the territory it occupies, in particular where such persons have made an unsuccessful attempt to rejoin the armed forces to which they belong and which are engaged in combat, or where they fail to comply with a summons made to them with a view to internment.
(2) The persons belonging to one of the categories enumerated in the present Article, who have been received by neutral or non-belligerent Powers on their territory and whom these Powers are required to intern under international law, without prejudice to any more favourable treatment which these Powers may choose to give and with the exception of Articles 8 [ Link ] , 10 [ Link ] , 15 [ Link ] , 30, fifth paragraph [ Link ] , 58 [ Link ] -67, 92 [ Link ] , 126 [ Link ] and, where diplomatic relations exist between the Parties to the conflict and the neutral or non-belligerent Power concerned, those Articles concerning the Protecting Power. Where such diplomatic relations exist, the Parties to a conflict on whom these persons depend shall be allowed to perform towards them the functions of a Protecting Power as provided in the present Convention, without prejudice to the functions which these Parties normally exercise in conformity with diplomatic and consular usage and treaties.
C. This Article shall in no way affect the status of medical personnel and chaplains as provided for in Article 33 [ Link ] of the present Convention.
Yes indeed, thank you.
It is VERY broadly worded, and covers pretty much anyone recognized by the Ukrainian government as operating under their authority.
It is very broad but clause A 2 eliminates spies, terrorist organizations, etc.
You're full of it Russkie:
"The National Guard of Ukraine (NGU; Ukrainian: Національна гвардія України, Natsionalna hvardiya Ukrayiny) — is the reserve component of the Armed Forces of Ukraine under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Internal Affairs"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_Ukraine
It is NOT an illegal, unofficial army, Russkie.
The Right Sector and Kolomoisky Militias do not answer to the Army, either. Even the Kiev-1 and -2 battalions are paramilitary, and outside of the Army chain of command.
Kiev-1 and 2 are special battalions under the control of the Interior Ministry, and, hence, the National Guard. The Azov battalion, whom you call a "Right Sector" outfit, was authorized by Ukraine and are under the control of the Interior Ministry. It has not been associated with any alleged human rights abuses. Who are these "Kolomoisky Militias" you are talking about? Provide sources. Does this mean that there aren't any local militias working independently? No, but this doesn't make the National Guard somehow an independent army under personal control of a civilian, and that it's okay for the Russkies, as a matter of standard operating policy or their entire military, to torture and humiliate Ukrainian POWs.
This disunified command has caused MANY problems for Kiev, with different, often competing, political and military goals
They seem to be doing pretty well Russkie. I don't think the Russkies intended to be fighting this war for so long.
I am really stunned that you still continue with the fiction about the Right Sector battalions, even the OSCE has begun calling them out, specifically.
The OSCE mentions only the Aidar battalion, made up mostly of natives from Donetsk, for alleged bribery and abductions (aka arrests) of alleged separatists. Not executions; nor does this extend to all of the battalions or the Ukrainian armed forces as a whole.
And terrorist organizations are ?
Not that simple.
Otherwise one side could declare everything and everyone on the other side a terrorist organization and do what they please. This sort of thing done between states at war will lead nowhere good. May I remind you where this broad reading of the convention came from - the Franco-Prussian war of 1870, where the invading Prussians often shot French partisans/francs-tireurs whenever they captured them. This was considered, at the time, an outrage. The Germans persisted in this interpretation in WWI, and even more so in WWII (note the Russian partisans fared even worse under this interpretation), after which the language we see was very deliberately adopted.
This is not new, well understood, standard international law for nearly 70 years now.
Therefore the law is broad and should be followed.
If someone is suspected of war crimes they should be prosecuted in a legitimate court.
For example a spy captured wearing civilian clothes is an illegal combatant.
lol...
You try SO HARD to deny the facts already in evidence.
Why??
Thats correct. However that is not the claim being made, which is that many irregular/militia units fielded by Ukraine are illegitimate and not covered by the convention. And it seems the prisoners paraded in this case were captured in uniform (most are still wearing them), or were in fact civilians.
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