Skip to comments.Putin 'urges talks on statehood for east Ukraine' (Putin Toughens Position)
Posted on 08/31/2014 4:31:13 AM PDT by goldstategop
President Putin has called for talks to discuss "statehood" for eastern Ukraine, Russian media report.
He said the issue needed to be discussed to ensure the interests of local people "are definitely upheld".
His comments came after the EU gave Russian a one-week ultimatum to reverse course in Ukraine or face sanctions.
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And that's his response to the latest EU ultimatum. Russia has just raised the ante.
This will result in many Putin-gasms by the growing number of Putin lovers on this forum.
I believe “statehood” and “Federalization” means the same thing in this case. Autonomy is included under that umbrella.
The fact Brussels gave Moscow a week’s grace is why no one takes the EU seriously.
Why a week? If I was Putin, I’d be rolling on the floor in laughter.
That used to be the Russian position. I think we’re at a point where autonomy/federalism is too little too late and the only outcome is Novorussian independence, attainable if Kiev’s forces can be expelled west of the Dnieper.
There is no reason for Moscow to settle less than for a client state in the east of Ukraine.
From Merkel’s article and Russia’s info, it appears that they’re on the same page.
Putin is wise to take advantage of an America under siege by the attempted coup of Obama al-Husseini. He can do whatever he wants without consequence.
There is nothing but sanctions or symbolic acts to deal with a nuclear weapons country (Russia) in this situation.
That’s been the bipartisan foreign policy of the US since WW II.
In 1956 Eisenhower was busy working with the Soviets against Israel, Britain and France during the Suez Crisis and not using any military force as the Soviets crushed the Hungarian revolt.
The tone of Republicans would be tougher than Obama, but there would be no actions that would lead to war with Russia.
Why don't you lying Putin groupies move over to Russia and see how long before you end up in prison camp !
I am sick of you Russian collaborators !
“The only solution he will now entertain is “statehood” for eastern Ukraine.”
Hey putin ... you and your military are woosies!
We will end up with a "East/West Ukraine" Scenario.
The Russians will want everything East of the Dnieper River.
However, know that a full annexation of the entire Ukraine would Really REALLY freak people out, Putin will get with Ubama and the E.U. and Compromise that if he can have Eastern and Southern Ukraine than he is okay with Volhynia, Podolia, and Galicia forming West Ukraine and joining the E.U.
Because Compromise is what it is all about right?
Yep! Russian soldiers haven't even gone through LGBT sensitivity training. How are they supposed to fight?
Russian soldiers who do things like drink, brawl and draw pictures of guns in school will be no match in their own back yard against our warriors, battle-hardened by "time out" cards in bootcamp and equipped with the latest tools to combat discrimination, sexual assualt and homophobia. We're gonna march right through those Russkie woosies!
sounds like you want a date.
Be assured, if WW3 starts, I'll be attending. I've got five more years left on my contract.
You said the Russian army are wussies. How so?
Meanwhile, lets look at the social experiment that has transformed our military over the past two decades. Lets look at the emasculation of the American boy over the past two decades where we've drugged them up with Adderall, suspended them from school, made playtime as safe and supervised as possible and now lament that too many of our boys are too fat to enlist.
We mourn the loss of a 5,000+ combat deaths in nearly 13 years of fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, treating each one as a national tragedy. We go toe-to-toe against the Russians in their own back yard and we'll lose twice that many in the first day.
You think America is ready to send our young men and women into a meat grinder? Over east Ukraine? Oh, I forgot. Russian soldiers are wussies.
Whom in whose right mind would want a war? putin?
Whom in whose right mind would want a war? putin! (exclamation point)
Putin doesn't want a war. And it's a moot point because there isn't going to be one. Vladimir Putin is the most powerful man in the world right now (a position previously held by every U.S. President since 1945). He's going to get what he wants.
He'll continue to support the separatists, while denying it and the West will continue to issue toothless sanctions that don't affect their ability to buy much-needed Russian oil.
Eventually the fighting will stop. Western Ukrainians are already getting war-weary, tired of being told their sons are fine despite not receiving letters or phone calls in weeks. Ukraine will split in two with Donetsk the new capitol of Novorussiya. If Putin plays his cards right, he'll have a pro-Kremlin government in Kiev as well.
The West has no appetite for all-out war with Russia.
You’re sure in a giddy mood today. Is it full statehood under Putin’s dominance or just partial statehood under the beloved Putin? One waits with bated breath to know the latest victories of the shirtless avenger of all that is pernicious and not Putin Orthodox Christian.
“This will result in many Putin-gasms by the growing number of Putin lovers on this forum.”
A likely outcome Russia uses their S-400 system, paints one of our top-line fighters, shoots it down with ease, gives us back the pilot, and we get the message to not mess around in their backyard as thing have now reversed, given that we’ve been DISARMING for 20 years, while they have been MODERNIZING (with Western help) for the past decade.
Hopefully that puts an end to the Obama supporters that think we can actually go toe-to-toe against their 2014 military, especially in their backyard.
Novorossiya or “New Russia” is the term Putin used to describe Ukraine the other day. He also said former Soviet satellites were all fake countries and were all really part of Russia.
He is a delusional mad man
It will be annexation to Russia in all but name and everyone knows it
Russia just invaded yet another country, probably has lost hundreds of soldiers while mothers who complain are called "foreign agents" (which is a threat). Tsar Putin is going to be eyeing other "fake countries" he thinks are really part of Russia after this.
Nobody has asked to send US troops to Ukraine, not even Ukraine.
We should have been sending them weapons for months now.
From Reuters: Chancellor Angela Merkel said, however, that Sigmar Gabriel meant decentralisation (as opposed to federalization or breakup).
Unlike the handful of perennial warmongers here and the people they have duped into believing that losing Ukraine is the end of the world, the Germans know that going to war with Russia over Ukraine is completely stupid. Luckily sanity will prevail.
What is Putin’s position on the Kaliningrad Oblast?
Hopefully France is next. That would take care of the Islamic threat for a while.
The American People, and no POTUS in history would do such a thing, FR existential warriors not withstanding.
Did we do anything when they invaded Hungary and Czechoslovakia?
“Nobody has asked to send US troops to Ukraine, not even Ukraine. We should have been sending them weapons for months now.”
So you think they can just read the instruction manuals and use our weapons effectively against Russia. Obviously not...so what now?
...and do you think we’d send our best weapons there, just to have the Russians overrun and capture those weapons in a matter of days?
It’s not so easy to fight a superpower in its backyard (directly or by proxy), and usually not wise.
Beware those who are for American interests are called something like Putin lovers. Presidents have been in war despite of the interests of the American people. I think it is why we have a volunteer army and no draft. The executive can use the volunteer army as his private war instrument. Note how a WWII formal declaration of war by Congress is avoided. The country is not united unless there is such a declaration by Congress. Note the fate of our wars since WW II. Anyway, Presidents get into war even if the citizens oppose. And citizens oppose our war in Ukraine, Formosa, Africa or anywhere else in the NE or ME.
We’ve seen this movie before.
Step 1. Demand autonomy for Germans in the Sudetenland.
Step 2. Demand the Sudetenland return to the Reich.
Step 3. Demand the rest of Czechoslovakia become the “Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia.”
I also find it VERY INTERESTING that NO ONE screaming for war with Russia has suggested beefing up our military spending - not McCain, not the people on THIS SITE, NO ONE. Even Jimmy Carter knew enough by 1979 that our military was in NO CONDITION to fight the Soviets, and rather than start a war, he started what would be later called the Reagan Military Build-Up.
It seems that the people today almost want to start a war with Russia over Ukraine, just to get our butts whipped.
...and have trouble seeing how that helps us, in any way.
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Putin said he is not a person whose word is to be trusted. Kazakhs did not have a statehood;
Russia flew over Finland airspace.. next?
Putin is not to be admired. Putin is not person whose word is to be trusted.
Poland, Romania and Bulgaria are in NATO and they should have some Soviet weapons. There is a NATO summit in Wales next week and maybe something will be worked out where Ukrainians will get weapons they are familiar with from these countries and Poland, Romania and Bulgaria will get some modern weapons.
Wed flapped our jaw and built more weapons.
That's the precisely correct response now, too.
Trading sanctions were already in place.
Putin also has no appetite for a war with the West. It would be a mess, but he would lose. The Russians are playing poker with a wimp.
Don’t think for a minute he wants his country ripped up any more than we want ours torn up. At some point in this there will be an eye ball to eye ball stare down. It may not be the Ukraine, but somewhere along the line of separation between the East and the West he is going to overstep.
The thug isn’t going to be satisfied enslaving part of the Ukraine.
Putin believes he has only until 2016 to accomplish whatever he can.
But what’s the point? If we wanted to annex Northern Mexico, and sent our best troops and hardware in, there is nothing that China or Russia could do to stop us.
No different in Ukraine. The outcome rests TOTALLY in the hands of Putin, if he wants Eastern Ukraine, he gets it...and all indications point to that. If we arm the opposition, then he likely loses more troops on the way, and Ukraine has the pleasure of another Soviet-style bloodbath...but the end product is the same - Putin gets what he wants. So what’s the point?
Now we could try hitting him where he’ll actually feel it, and that being doubling our military spending and increasing SDI funding 5-fold (it’s practically nothing now). That was how Carter/Reagan did it 35 years ago, and they certainly did squeal. But NO ONE, literally NO ONE, will go there. So we look like TOTAL IDIOTS and the only net result of this policy, for us, is watching a bloodbath take place as Ukraine is carved up...rather than watching Ukraine get carved up without a bloodbath.
We’ve got to say it like it is:
THIS IS RUSSOFASCISM.
And we must do everything (well, short of nuclear war) to stop Putler and his thugs.
Is that why they post from RT and openly cheer Russian military victories? What patriots.
The cum crusted Putin whores on Free Republic are lying as always. East Ukraine will be part of Russia, any autonomy it might be granted will be purely on paper as it will always be occupied by the Russian army and its government will be Kremlin appointed.
Did you vote in 2012? A simple yes or no will do.
I will always support Ukrainians against the invasion by Russia, which I am sure will continue in one way or another even beyond Putin's Soviet reign of Terror.
Live a good life with proper diet and exercise and you will be around long enough to watch the Chinese do to Russia what the Russians are doing to Ukraine.
It’s written though in the coming decades, Russians will be a minority in their own country, hence, this might be part of the reason for conquest.
Well our leaders have quite the precident that I am afraid they are going to follow?
(Please don't take that wrong way Berlin, My Father is from Germany, but like I said my post, Putin will hit hard and then Compromise a little of position (Western Ukraine) therefore making our side feel like we gained something when in reality we lost East Ukraine.)
Also Excellent point about Siberia and China. In WWII Stalin was terrified that the Japanese would attack him in his rear. And during the tenuous time in '41 and '42 doing so would have spelled disaster for the Soviet Union (The reason the Japanese didn't, is because I think they would terrified of the Soviets too, but in retrospect they SHOULD have)