Posted on 09/21/2014 8:39:48 AM PDT by rktman
I tell people to get dogs if they are slowing down or can’t hear well but never rely 100% on dogs for 24/7 security as they can be poisoned too easily. A thief can toss a few poisoned meat balls in your yard in the evening, your dog eats them and dies overnight. The next morning, you go to work, the kids go to school and the Mrs goes out shopping. The house and yard are unprotected.
So you are back tracking on your stupid comment about dogs.
Good.
I conceal carry so defending myself is not a problem. I do not conceal carry a dog for this purpose as that would be as ridiculous as both of your comments.
If you are looking for drugs look somewhere else addict.
If you have no dogs in the first place your house is just as unprotected. Duh.
My dogs are not to prevent nuclear attack, they keep the neighborhood douche bags out of my yard and home.
It has been working for over five decades so I will disregard both of your posts.
Those are pictures of tyranny in action.
My post was clearly a sarcastic response to the stupid anti-dog posts to you. I simply copied you to my response to them.
Of course having dogs is better than not so I have them.
Yes they can be poisoned or shot but if you had fifty ninjas protecting your home a hundred attacking ninjas could defeat them so nothing is perfect.
In these here United States, 41 of 50 States shall issue a permit to carry a concealed handgun to any non-felon adult who asks. Three States require no permit at all. In most States, one may carry a handgun openly without any paperwork whatsoever. In almost all States, one may purchase any sort or rifle, pistol, or shotgun without asking the government's permission at all.
I'm really getting rather sick of people misrepresenting Australian gun laws
Please quit blowing smoke at us. Australian gun laws are atrocious ... by your own admission.
It's your country ... wreck it any way you like. We're doing our level best to destroy America with 0bama and his cronies. You'd be well advised to start repealing your gun control regime, though.
I'm not blowing smoke. I'm telling the truth. Yes, Australian gun laws are pretty bad (I wouldn't say atrocious - I'd say stupid and wrongheaded, but as somebody who spends a few months a year in the UK, I'd reserve stronger terms for them - and even there guns aren't completely banned) but that is not an excuse for people to lie about them being worse than they are. And what makes it worse is that honest people believe and repeat the lies.
I've had to make some effort to own the guns I do. Having made that effort I object to being told I have been disarmed.
And incidentally people try to use lies like that against the interest of gun owners in America - I've seen regular attempts by gun control groups in America to claim that Australia banned guns and America could do the same.
You'd be well advised to start repealing your gun control regime, though.
That's what some of us are trying to do - and it's one reason I really object to misinformation about our laws being spread around. It's slow going, but we are gradually getting governments here to roll back parts of the laws but we're doing it through rational fact-based arguments.
When people believe that the only people who own handguns are criminals or security guards, it's much harder to make the case to them that handguns in the hands of law abiding citizens aren't a public danger, than if it's already understood that there are already tens of thousands of us out there and we're not committing crimes. I've been in meetings with Members of Parliament where I've had to explain the laws to them because they believed what they'd been told by the anti-gun lobby and it was easy to believe because it's what is repeated all the time.
Easy, as long as you don't have a criminal record. Owning more than a basic rifle or shotgun though is a bit harder.
In Australia, civilians are not allowed to possess automatic and semi-automatic firearms, self-loading and pump action shotguns, Yes, they are. I do. But you can't do it with a basic A/B licence and getting a higher level licence takes some work. handguns with a calibre in excess of .38in with only narrow exemptions, semi-automatic handguns with a barrel length less than 120mm, and revolvers with a barrel length less than 100mm93 94 63 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102
That's pretty accurate - and is the reason I own the particular handgun I do because it fits into the rules. The rules are dumb, but the handgun I carry is adequate for my needs.
Applicants for a gun owner’s licence in Australia are required to prove genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example, hunting, target shooting, collection, pest control, and narrow occupational uses.123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131
Yes, and in most places, it's easy to do that. To get my A/B licence, all I had to do was fill in a form. To get my C licence and handgun licence I had to fill in a number of forms (I actually used a lawyer because my time is valuable to me, just as I would if I was buying real estate) and sit an interview with a local firearms officer which was no problem. I've heard of some people having much tougher interviews though.
In law, personal protection is not a genuine reason 132 13
By itself, it isn't. But if you have a firearm, it can be used for self defence or defence of another person in a situation where a reasonable person would believe somebody was in danger of death or serious injury. Self defence law in Australia is derived from English Common Law, not statute law and so it's not as clearly stated in as simple a form as it could be - but you can use force to protect yourself as long as it is reasonable given the threat, and use of a deadly weapon is reasonable if there is a threat to life or of serious injury.
Making sure I understood the law was part of that interview I mentioned. Actually most of it.
My husband and I had no dogs for quite a while as he knew I was allergic. However, at one time my husband had a FOUR HOUR commute to work. I felt badly for him and said: Let's get the dogs. I'll wash my hands after I handle them.
I COULDN'T not handle them. My husband ALWAYS got "pound hounds" -- always two of them so they would never be alone. They were such sweet pooches. After that we always had dogs.
Husband is gone. I have no dogs.
I go out for a walk every day where there are DOZENS and DOZENS of dogs...and I love'em all. They are so funny. They look up at me hoping for a treat. When there is no treat, that's okay with them and they'll take a pet and a scratch, right at the base of the tail.
The doggies know me as I have the long fingernails and know RIGHT where to scratch them. They are truly one of God's greatest gifts to us.
Why do you have to "make some effort"? Is the manufacture of simple mechanical devices more difficult in Australia than in the United States?
Having made that effort I object to being told I have been disarmed.
So you managed to slog through a legal quagmire. Bully for you. Perhaps you, personally, aren't disarmed ... but your society is. Quit trying to spin it otherwise.
as somebody who spends a few months a year in the UK
So the UK is worse than AUS. And Mexico is worse than the UK. And North Korea is worse than Mexico. Big deal. Gun ownership is still heavily restricted in AUS as your post number 68 illustrates. It's as bad as New York City, but in the entire country.
That's [repeal gun control] what some of us are trying to do
Good. We're trying (and succeeding at) that here, as well.
No, but importing the things from the US is difficult. Because you have to navigate the bureaucracies of two different countries - the US makes export of firearms complicated and then Australia makes their import complicated.
That's been the biggest effort I've had to make. Getting the licences I needed was fairly trivial - it's a lot easier to get a gun licence than a driver's licence. But while you can get a decent range of long arms in Australia quite easily, getting a decent handgun at a reasonable price is another matter. Australian gun manufacturers don't make many handguns and we don't have as many manufacturers as you do to start with. And gun shops charge a huge premium on what they import.
So you managed to slog through a legal quagmire. Bully for you. Perhaps you, personally, aren't disarmed ... but your society is. Quit trying to spin it otherwise.
I'm spinning nothing. There are over a million Australians (out of an overall population of a bit over 20 million) who own millions of firearms legally. And there are millions more who could if they wanted to, but don't exercise that choice. Since the 1996/1997 gun laws that people try to claim disarmed Australians, the number of gun owners and guns in private hands has actually increased.
I had to navigate some bureaucracy yes - but frankly, the hardest part of it was dealing with issues raised by somebody in the US State Department who had issues I still don't understand issuing the export licence for one of my guns. The Australian bureaucracy was much easier to deal with (in large part, because I could talk to them personally much more easily).
My own local gun shop isn't quite as impressive - and gives a better idea of what people typically own, as opposed to what they can own.
I'm not saying Australian gun laws are good. Just that they are nowhere near as bad as people often try to claim.
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