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AACHEN BLASTED AFTER DEFYING ULTIMATUM; GERMANS REPORTED FLEEING THE BURNING CITY (10/12/44)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 10/12/44 | Raymond Daniell, Gene Currivan, W.H. Lawrence, Sidney Shalett

Posted on 10/12/2014 4:22:26 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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Free Republic University, Department of History presents World War II Plus 70 Years: Seminar and Discussion Forum
First session: September 1, 2009. Last date to add: September 2, 2015.
Reading assignment: New York Times articles and the occasional radio broadcast delivered daily to students on the 70th anniversary of original publication date. (Previously posted articles can be found by searching on keyword “realtime” Or view Homer’s posting history .)
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1 posted on 10/12/2014 4:22:26 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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Selections from West Point Atlas for the Second World War
Northwestern Europe, 1944: 6th and 12th Army Group Operations, 15 September-7 November 1944
Northwestern Europe, 1944: 21st Army Group Operations, 15 September-15 December 1944
Eastern Europe, 1941: Russian Balkan and Baltic Campaigns – Operations, 19 August-31 December 1944
Northern Italy 1944: Allied Advance to Gothic Line, 5 June-25 August and Gains 29 August-31 December
China, 1941: Operation Ichigo, April-December 1944 and Situation 31 December
China-Burma, 1941: Third Burma Campaign – Slim’s Offensive, June 1944-March 1945
2 posted on 10/12/2014 4:22:58 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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The Nimitz Graybook

3 posted on 10/12/2014 4:23:43 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Continued from October 6.

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John Toland, The Rising Sun: The Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire, 1936-1945

4 posted on 10/12/2014 4:24:55 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Continued from yesterday.

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Winston S. Churchill, Triumph and Tragedy

5 posted on 10/12/2014 4:26:07 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Plain paper letter from Hollandia, New Guinea.

In his last (Sept. 28) letter Homer’s father mentioned he was alerted to go on furlough. The furlough got cancelled so maybe there is an operation in the works.

Return address: Co F, 128 Inf. A.P.O 32, % P.M. San Francisco

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6 posted on 10/12/2014 4:27:05 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; 2banana; henkster; meandog; ...
Bombing Wilts Foe (Daniell) – 2-3
Care of Families Aids Troop Morale – 3
Lisbon Bars Haven to War Criminal – 3
Canadians Cut Off 15,000 in Holland (Currivan) – 4-5
Soldier in Hospital Asks for Dead Buddies that We Who Live Learn Loving Kindness – 5
War News Summarized – 5
Red Army Tightens Screws on Enemy on Two Fronts (maps) – 6
Russians Smash On – 7
Churchill and Stalin Force Polish Rivals to Showdown (Lawrence) – 8
Raid in Greenland Ends Nazi Spying (Shalett) – 9
Blasting Japanese Sea and Air Power in Pacific (photos) – 10
The Texts of the Day’s Communiques on the Fighting in Various War Zones – 11-13
7 posted on 10/12/2014 4:28:36 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://www.onwar.com/chrono/1944/oct44/12oct44.htm#

Greek resistance liberates Athens
Thursday, October 12, 1944 www.onwar.com

In Greece... Allied paratroops land at Athens airfield. Other British forces land on Corfu. German forces evacuate the Piraeus.

On the Eastern Front... In Hungary, Oradea is captured by Soviet forces of 2nd Ukrainian Front. The battle for Debrecen continues. South of Szeged, Yugoslavian partisans and Soviet forces capture Subotica in a joint attack.

In the Palau Islands... The US 1st Marine Division remains engaged against Japanese defenders on Mount Umurgbrogol.

In Formosa... US Task Force 38 (Admiral Mitscher) launches air strikes on Japanese positions.


8 posted on 10/12/2014 4:30:34 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://www.etherit.co.uk/month/9/12.htm

October 12th, 1944 (THURSDAY)

UNITED KINGDOM: The Eighth Air Force flies 2 missions:

* Mission 674: 552 bombers and 514 fighters are dispatched to hit targets in Germany; they claim 18-3-1 aircraft; 3 bombers and 5 fighters are lost:

- Weather prevents the 290 B-24s dispatched to hit the primaries at Vechta, Achmer, Rheine and Varrelbusch; PFF means were used to hit the secondary, the marshalling yard at Osnabruck (267); 5 others hit Diepholz Airfield, a target of opportunity; 2 B-24s are lost. Escort is provided by 210 P-47s and P-51s; they claim 1-1-0 aircraft in the air.

- 262 B-17s are dispatched to aviation industries at Bremen (267) bombing visually; 1 other hits a target of opportunity; 1 B-17 is lost.

Escort is provided by 273 P-47s and P-51s; they claim 17-2-1 aircraft; 5 P-51s are lost. Five of the Luftwaffe aircraft, Bf 109s, are shot down by 1st Lieutenant Charles “Chuck” Yeager near Assen, the Netherlands, at about 1100 hours. In 1947, Yeager is the first pilot to crack the sound barrier in the Bell X-1.

* Mission 675: 8 aircraft are dispatched to drop leaflets in the Netherlands, France and Germany during the night; 2 B-24s are lost.

Frigate HMCS Chebogue refloated and towed to reserve at Port Talbot.

WESTERN EUROPE: The Ninth Air Force sends almost 250 B-26s and A-20s to bomb Camp-de-Bitche, France, military camp; rail bridges at Grevenbroich and Ahrweiler, Germany; city areas of Langerwehe and Aldenhoven, Germany, and Venraij, the Netherlands; and various targets of opportunity. Escorting fighters also fly armed reconnaissance and rail cutting in the Dusseldorf and Aachen, Germany, and Belfort, France, areas, and support the VIII, XII, XV, and XX Corps in eastern France and western Germany.

NETHERLANDS: In the British Second Army’s VIII Corps area, the 3d Division attacks southward against the Peel Marshes salient, clearing Overloon. The U.S. 7th Armored Division provides a diversionary demonstration along the Deurne-Venray road.

During the day, RAF Bomber Command sends 86 Lancasters and ten Mosquitos to attack the Fort Frederick Hendrik gun battery near Breskens; 92 aircraft attack the target and destroy two of the four gun positions. No aircraft are lost.

During the night of 12/13 October, the USAAF Eighth Air Force flies Mission 675: eight B-24 Liberators are dispatched to drop leaflets over the country; two aircraft are lost.

FRANCE: In the U.S. Third Army’s XX Corps area, the last elements of the 5th Infantry Division withdraw from Fort Driant, during the night of 12/13 October.

GERMANY: In the U.S. First Army’s XIX Corps area, the 30th Infantry Division with an objective of taking Wuerselen and closing the Aachen gap, is prevented from doing this by series of German counterattacks aimed at widening the Aachen corridor and forcing the corps back to the line Bardenberg-Euchen. The Germans are thrown back at Birk, southeast of Bardenberg, and at the northern Wuerselen with the aid of aircraft and artillery, but new panzer units are identified, indicating a major reinforcement of the region. Corps regroups to meet this threat. In the VII Corps area, in preparation for main assault on Aachen, the 26th Infantry Regiment, 1st Infantry Division, clears the factory district between Aachen and Haaren. Air and artillery bombardment of Aachen continues. In the Huertgen Forest, a German counterattack severs the main supply route of the 39th Infantry Regiment, 9th Infantry Division, on the east-west trail leading into Germeter.

During the day, RAF Bomber Command dispatches 111 Halifaxes and 26 Lancasters to attack the Krupp Treibstoff synthetic oil plant at Wanne-Eickel; 130 bomb the target. A direct hit on a storage tank early in the raid produces dense cloud and smoke which hinder later bombing. A German report says that the refinery itself is not seriously damaged but that the GAVEG chemical factory is destroyed; it is possible that the bombers are aiming at the wrong target.

During the night of 12/13 October, RAF Bomber Command sends Mosquitos to bomb seven targets: 46 hit Hamburg, five attack a chemical plant at Wiesbaden, four each bomb Koblenz and the Lohausen airfield at Dusseldorf, two hit Schweinfurt, and one each bomb Dusseldorf and, Essen.

U-2513 commissioned.

U-3025 laid down.

ITALY: In the U.S Fifth Army’s IV Corps area, Task Force 92 pushes to the crest of Mt. Cauala but is again forced to retire. Efforts to take Mt. Cauala are suspended for the next few days. In the II Corps area, the 135th Infantry Regiment, 34th Infantry Division, extends eastward as it continues, in conjunction with Combat Command A of the 1st Armored Division, to attack the Monterumici hill mass. The 91st Infantry Division gets additional elements up the Livergnano escarpment but is unable to clear it. A battalion of the 338th Infantry Regiment, 85th Infantry Division, attacks north on the crest of Mt. delle Formiche; the Germans defend Hill 578 against attacks of the 337th Infantry Regiment. The 88th Infantry Division continues to attack Mt. delle Tombe and clears the Gesso ridge.

The British Eighth Army is ordered to release the Indian 4th Division and the Greek 3d Mountain Brigade for service outside Italy. In the V Corps area, corps presses from the Rubicone River toward the Savio and Cesena Rivers. The Indian 10th Division advances its left flank to Mt. de Erta, east of the Savio River; elements crossing the Rubicone River to the north are held up in Sorrivoli. Attacking across the Rubicone River on right flank of the corps, the 46th Division takes Casale.

Twelfth Air Force medium bombers, supporting the US Fifth Army, attack communications, supply dumps, and bivouac and barracks areas south of Bologna; fighter-bombers and XII Fighter Command fighters, mainly in support of the US Fifth Army, blast supply dumps, gun positions, troop concentrations, and communications in the high country south of Bologna while the RAF Desert Air Force gives similar support to the British Eighth Army in the Rimini area.

Six hundred ninety eight USAAF Fifteenth Air Force B-17 Flying Fortresses and B-24 Liberators, with fighter support, bomb ammunition and fuel dumps and depots, bivouac area, barracks, vehicle repair shop, munitions factory and targets of opportunity in the Bologna area (Operation PANCAKE) supporting the U.S. Fifth Army offensive in that sector; four aircraft are lost. One other aircraft bombs an airfield as a target of opportunity.

During the night of 12/13 October, 62 RAF bombers of No. 205 (Heavy Bomber) Group hit the marshalling yard at Bronzolo.

HUNGARY: Troops of Soviet Second Ukrainian Front take Oradea in Transylvania and continue the battle for Debrecen.

One hundred sixty USAAF Fifteenth Air Force P-51 Mustangs strafe the mainline railroad and Danube River traffic in the Vienna, Austria-Gyor, Hungary-Budapest, Hungary, areas and strafe Seregelyes Airfield, Hungary, disrupting traffic and destroying many Axis airplanes.

YUGOSLAVIA: A joint force of Tito’s partisans and Russian soldiers captures Subotica, cutting the Belgrade to Budapest railway line.

GREECE: Athens is declared an open city by the retreating Germans as British paratroopers take Athens airport. The declaration preserves the city and its monuments from the devastation of combat. Meanwhile, the Germans evacuate Piraeus southwest of Athens and British troops land on Corfu, an island in the Ionian Islands off the coast of Albania and Greece. (John Nicholas and Jack McKillop)

Advance detachment of British 4th Parachute Battalion and Royal Engineers is dropped in Megara area to secure and repair airfield. Piraeus and Kalamata are found to be clear of the Germans.

ALBANIA: A British commando force from Land Forces, Adriatic, lands in the Sarande area of southern Albania.

MEDITERRANEAN SEA: Around 700 Fifteenth Air Force B-17s and B-24s, with fighter support, bomb ammunition and fuel dumps and depots, bivouac area, barracks, vehicle repair shop, munitions factory and targets of opportunity in the Bologna, Italy, area (Operation PANCAKE) supporting the US Fifth Army offensive in that sector. 160 P-51s strafe the mainline railroad and Danube River traffic in the Vienna, Austria-Gyor, Hungary-Budapest, Hungary, areas and strafe Seregelyes Airfield, Hungary, disrupting traffic and destroying many enemy airplanes.

Destroyer HMS Loyal (G 15) runs over an acoustic mine in the Tyrrhenian Sea and suffers immense shock damage. All machinery and armament on board is affected by the blast and she is paid paid off until finally being broken up in 1948. (Alex Gordon)(108)

BURMA: 18 Tenth Air Force P-47s bomb railroad targets in the Naba-Mawlu rail corridor damaging a bridge approach, and strike troops and stores near Nayakaung; 12 other P-47s hit various targets at Pintha and Nyaunggon; and 4 B-25s knock out a bridge just north of Lashio and 3 others knock out a bridge at Kawlin and damage tracks near the Man Pwe bridge.

CHINA: 3 Fourteenth Air Force B-25s and 12 P-40s attack the Chefang storage area and a bridge and general targets of opportunity in the Mangshih area; 40+ P-40s and P-51 Mustangs on armed reconnaissance covering wide areas of southern China and extending into western Burma attack troop concentrations, river traffic, storage areas, and buildings in areas around Taochuan, Kweiping, Hsinganhsien, Yuncheng, Tanchuk, and Hsenwi.

JAPAN: Eleventh Air Force B-24s attack the airfield and shipping targets in the Matsuwa Island-Onnekotan Island area in the Kurile Islands.

NEW GUINEA: From his headquarters at Hollandia, Dutch New Guinea, General Douglas MacArthur, Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in the Southwest Pacific, issues orders for the invasion of Luzon, Philippine Islands, to be undertaken by the U.S. Sixth Army’s I Corps (6th and 43d Infantry Divisions, reinforced) and XIV Corps (37th and 40th Infantry Divisions, reinforced). The 25th Infantry and 11th Airborne Divisions, Regimental Combat Team 158, the 6th Ranger Battalion, and the 13th Armored Group constitute the reserve and follow-up forces. Various service units are assigned as army and corps troops.

In Dutch New Guinea, USAAF Fifth Air Force fighter-bombers hit Manokwari and Utarom Airfields and A-20 Havocs bomb pillboxes in the Sarmi area.

CAROLINE ISLANDS: On Peleliu Island in the Palau Islands, Lieutenant General Roy Geiger opens the III Amphibious Corps Command Post ashore and declares the assault and occupation phase at an end. The 1st Marine Division is now responsible only for the Umurbrogol Pocket. The Army’s 321st Infantry Regiment takes responsibility for the eastern arm of the island and begins relieving Marine units. Island Garrison Force takes over the region south of the Umurbrogol Pocket. Fighting continues it will be declared completely occupied on September 30 by Admiral Fort.

EAST CHINA SEA: US naval TF 38 begins a series of attacks on FORMOSA. Between today and the 14th 2,350 sorties will be flown. US losses are 71 aircraft, damage to the carrier Franklin cruiser Houston and cruiser HMAS Canberra which was torpedoed.( This happened on the 13th, local time.)

Task Force 38 (Vice Admiral Marc A. Mitscher) launches 1,000+ aircraft from 17 aircraft carriers against Japanese shipping, airfields, and industrial plants on Formosa, regarded as the strongest and best-developed base south of the homeland proper, and on northern Luzon, Philippine Islands. The aircraft fly 1,378 sorties today and they sink 4 transports, a cargo ship, 4 IJA cargo ships, 5 merchant cargo ships and 8 merchant tankers and damage several other ships. Opposition is unexpectedly strong and 48USNaircraft are lost. USN fighters destroy 211 Japanese aircraft, mostly fighters, between 0700 and 1442 hours. Late in the day, based on reports from inexperienced pilots, the Japanese order hundreds of carrier aircraft to reinforce Formosa to fight an all-out battle.

Seventh Air Force B-24s from Saipan bomb AA positions on Marcus Island in the North Pacific, and the airfield area on Pagan Island in the Marianas. P-47s hit the Pagan Island Airfield area with bombs and rockets and B-24s from Kwajalein Atoll bomb Wake Island during the night of 12/13 October.

In the Mariana Islands, the first Twentieth Air Force B-29, JOLTIN’ JOSIE, THE PACIFIC PIONEER, arrives on Saipan, piloted by Brigadier General Haywood S. Hansell, Jr, Commanding General XXI Bomber Command, for whom temporary HQ are set up on the island.

JOLTIN’ JOSIE was a B-29-40-BW, USAAF s/n 42-24614, msn 4275, assigned to the 498th Bombardment Group (Very Heavy), 73d Bombardment Wing (Very Heavy), XXI Bomber Command, Twentieth Air Force and coded T Square 5. She was lost on the night of 1/2 April 1945 on XXI Bomber Command Mission 51 against the Tokyo industrial area.

Two USN and a RN submarine sink a Japanese transport, destroyer and cargo ship. (John Nicholas and Jack McKillop)

BONIN ISLANDS: USAAF Seventh Air Force B-24 Liberators from Saipan bomb the harbor and shipping at Chichi Jima and shipping south of Haha Jima.

EAST INDIES: Far East Air Forces B-24s bomb Ambesia, Langoan, Mapanget, and Sidate Airfields on Celebes Island. B-25s, A-20s, and P-47s again attack airfields at Liang and Laha on Ambon Island, Namlea on Buru Island, Kairatoe on Celebes Island and Haroekoe on Haroekoe Island, and the town of Boela on Ceram Island. P-38s hit numerous targets of opportunity on Halmahera Island. In New Guinea, fighter-bombers hit Manokwari and Urarom and A-20s bomb pillboxes in the Sarmi area.

U.S.A.: The “Columbus Day Riot” occurs in New York City as 25,000 swooning teenagers, mostly young girls, stop traffic in Times Square in front of the Paramount Theatre where Frank Sinatra is making his first appearance since December 1942. The bobbysoxers block the streets, screaming and swooning for Frankie driving the police crazy.

The motion picture “Mrs. Parkington” premieres in New York City today. Based on the Louis Bromfield novel, this drama is directed by Tay Garnett and stars Greer Garson, Walter Pidegeon, Edward Arnold, Agnes Moorehead, Cecil Kelloway, Peter Lawford, Dan Duryea, Hugh Marlowe and Hans Conried with Donna Reed appearing in an uncredited role. This soap opera has hotel maid Garson marrying rich Pidgeon and moving to New York City where she recounts the rise and fall of the family fortunes in flashbacks. The film is nominated for two Academy Awards, Best Actress (Garson) and Best Supporting Actress (Moorehead).

Destroyer USS Putnam commissioned.

The top songs on the pop record charts today are: “I’ll Walk Alone” by Dinah Shore; “Is You is or is You Ain’t My Baby” by Bing Crosby and The Andrews Sisters; “Together” by Helen Forrest and Dick Haymes; and “Smoke on the Water” by Red Foley.

ATLANTIC OCEAN: During a Schnorchel failure the crew of U-483 suffered a CO2 poisoning where 1 man died. [Funkmaat Gustav Hoffmann].


9 posted on 10/12/2014 4:32:12 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Dinah Shore - I'll Walk Alone

Bing Crosby and The Andrews Sisters - Is You Is Or Is You Ain't My Baby

Together by Helen Forrest and Dick Haymes

Smoke On The Water by Red Foley

10 posted on 10/12/2014 5:02:09 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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Canadians Cut Off 15,000 in Holland (Currivan) – 4-5

It will be another 1 1/2 months - the end of November - before the first pallet of freight will be offloaded on the docks at Antwerp.

11 posted on 10/12/2014 5:17:52 AM PDT by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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October 12, 1944:


"Unshakable in his opposition to the Nazis, Wilhelm Leuschner paid with his life for the failure of the July 1944 assassination attempt on Hitler.
Along with Julius Leber, Leuschner led the Socialist opposition to the Nazis and later joined the Kreisau Circle of resistance.
His fellow resisters nominated him to serve as vice-chancellor in the government they would establish after Hitler's removal from power.
Following the botched plot, he was subjected to a rigged trial in the People's Court and sentenced to death by hanging, which occurred on September 29, 1944."

"After the Germans seized Czechoslovakia in 1938, they created a conquered territory called the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, and a rump state allied to Germany called Slovakia.
Slovakia's government was a totalitarian dictatorship led by Dr. Jozef Tiso, a Catholic priest.
Tiso collaborated in the German campaign to deport two-thirds of Slovakia's 90,000 Jews to Auschwitz.

"In August 1944 several groups, including the Czech government-in-exile and the Communist Party, called for a national revolt.
Sixteen thousand members of the Slovak national army responded--as did large numbers of partisans and Jews from labor camps.
In one bloody battle, a Jewish unit from the Nováky labor camp fought gallantly against the Nazis before being overrun.

"The revolt was put down by the Nazis on October 27, 1944.
More than 1,500 Jews had participated in the uprising."



12 posted on 10/12/2014 5:31:48 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective,)
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Pop tunes 1944: "Smoke On The Water by Red Foley"

That's a lot different take than Deep Purple's 1972 Smoke on the Water.
Consider them side-by-side, and how quickly & far we fell...


13 posted on 10/12/2014 5:47:06 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective,)
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Must admit, I didn't listen to the tunes ... just posted them ... so I listened to "smoke"

It's no wonder we were victorious in WW2 with all that propaganda (in a good sense) heaped on the American people.

THAT version of Smoke On The Water pretty much covers every enemy of Freedom and I would dearly love to hear that kind of music on today's radio ... Alas ... the best we'll ever do is talk radio.

14 posted on 10/12/2014 6:07:17 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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Good song. What do they call that, Texas Swing?


15 posted on 10/12/2014 7:32:38 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If the courts make our laws, there's been a coup d'etat. Wake up, America.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...
Thanks Homer. To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

16 posted on 10/12/2014 11:09:12 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Will steal your comments & post them on Twitter)
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What’s this story about Mexico banning ridicule? That’s ridiculous!


17 posted on 10/12/2014 11:44:28 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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12 Oct 44 Holland photo 12Oct44Holland_zpse164b25d.jpg

12 Oct 44 Aachen photo 12Oct44Aachen_zps15829e52.jpg

12 Oct 44 Ardennes photo 12Oct44Ardennes_zps640891e2.jpg

12 Oct 44 Lorraine photo 12Oct44Lorraine_zps648aa176.jpg

12 Oct 44 Vosges photo 12Oct44Vosges_zps536b9993.jpg

18 posted on 10/12/2014 11:55:09 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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Who is the one in the photograph?


19 posted on 10/12/2014 2:24:10 PM PDT by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate over unjust law & government in the forum of ideas)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

What about those pictures your dad talked about in his letter?


20 posted on 10/12/2014 2:25:21 PM PDT by occamrzr06 (A great life is but a series of dogs!)
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