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Three pioneering women in Marine infantry course are asked to leave. Why?
Christian Science Monitor ^ | October 24, 2014 | Anna Mulrine

Posted on 10/26/2014 11:25:52 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

Just weeks after three women passed a rigorous day-long test qualifying them to potentially lead US Marine infantrymen for the first time in history, news came that all three women have been asked to leave the course.

They were physically disqualified from the training last week for falling behind in hikes while carrying loads of upwards of 100 pounds, says Maj. George Flynn, director of the Infantry Officers Course (IOC) at Quantico, Va.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: marines; miltary; usmc; women
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To: RegulatorCountry

What led to this rant? I said nothing that would disagree with anything you have written..

I would note that nurses in any military tend more often to be female. They are not on the front line but may be in a mobile unit


141 posted on 10/26/2014 3:19:23 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: RegulatorCountry

What led to this rant? I said nothing that would disagree with anything you have written..

I would note that nurses in any military tend more often to be female. They are not on the front line but may be in a mobile unit


142 posted on 10/26/2014 3:19:39 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Cen-Tejas
My facts came from Wiki.
My facts come from personal experience.
143 posted on 10/26/2014 3:31:11 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Reno89519

.........so who gives you the license to “question” a “standard” put in place by a 200+ year old combat organization that most think is the world’s premier fighting force.

You appear to be frustrated that some freepers question your “conservative” credentials but you have no similar or apparent reticence to question the US Marine Corp on whether or not it’s important to lift 124lbs in combat? Basically, it seems you get to ask questions but no one else.

When I was 19 or 20, I could rather easily pick up a 200lb man off the ground, I think if I was in combat I would like to see the standard raised! There are not very many 124 lb around. And, it is unarguable that men have to be picked up by other men and carried in combat. Sometimes for miles.

Finally, I suggest you read my other comment on this thread about women in combat before you attack what I’m saying.


144 posted on 10/26/2014 3:31:22 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: Timber Rattler
What? The Marines aren't "normalizing" the course for the females!!??

Don't they realize how unfair that sexist attitude is?

I'm sure the Commander-In-Chief and the SecDef will get the training Commander's and his NCO's heads on straight quickly and make sure this doesn't happen again. No doubt the failed, oops, I mean, discriminated against ladies will be back in the course and complete it with flying colors next time... after the soon revised sexual "normalization" of the standards, of course.

It's only fair.

145 posted on 10/26/2014 3:32:49 PM PDT by Gritty (Obama wants to wage war by measuring it out in teaspoons - Ralph Peters)
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To: oh8eleven

And, I don’t question any combat experience you have or you.

But, the “facts” about combat fatalities between the services are undeniable.


146 posted on 10/26/2014 3:33:59 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: PAR35

LOL, good one!


147 posted on 10/26/2014 3:34:26 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: Reno89519

I was Navy but was served with the Marines for 4 years.

Navy experience does not translate to Marine Corps expertise. Their job is much different than a sailor’s.

They don’t leave men behind and your life might depend on your buddy’s ability to pick you up and carry you to safety. They also need to carry a combat load plus, and be able to fight. Their requirements are not meant to exclude people, they are in place so they can do their job.

I was a sailor, and remained one, but spending 4 years with the Corps left me for a deep respect and admiration for my green brothers. Leave them alone and let them do their job.


148 posted on 10/26/2014 3:34:58 PM PDT by dangerdoc ((this space for rent))
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To: Reno89519

Respectfully, you are ignorant of what you speak. These women, at their very peak of fitness, met the minimum standard. Of course everyone needs to carry the same load in order to arrive equally prepared for combat. If they don’t pack 100% of the necessary gear, they die. The Actual combat standard speed is “faster”. They were slower than the least competent marine in front of them. Nothing at all to do with their vaginas. The idea that women must be fit into combat leadership positions is not in any way a conservative idea. Combat should be the realm of the combat capable.


149 posted on 10/26/2014 3:39:09 PM PDT by Hugh the Scot ( Total War)
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To: Dick Vomer

These folks have been watching too many Hollywood movies where there’s always a female who kicks all the guys’ asses.


150 posted on 10/26/2014 3:40:23 PM PDT by dfwgator (The "Fire Muschamp" tagline is back!)
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To: dfwgator

Less than a minute ago, I was flipping through channels and just like you said, there was a female beating up the men.


151 posted on 10/26/2014 3:42:57 PM PDT by yarddog (G)
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To: Timber Rattler

“They were physically disqualified from the training last week for falling behind in hikes while carrying loads of upwards of 100 pounds, says Maj. George Flynn, director of the Infantry Officers Course (IOC) at Quantico, Va.”

The skirts could not “hump it” as the men do!

This is not not your mother’s ‘army’ course’, this is THE MARINES!!

The pussification shall begin shortly!


152 posted on 10/26/2014 3:46:31 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Colonel Christian Wortman is the commander.

Post the link

153 posted on 10/26/2014 3:48:33 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Don't harsh my buzz homie......)
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To: Hot Tabasco

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Basic_School


154 posted on 10/26/2014 3:51:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: driftdiver

They aren’t in the Army.


155 posted on 10/26/2014 3:53:55 PM PDT by dangerdoc ((this space for rent))
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To: Delta Dawn
What percent is that? For men, it would probably be 80% - 90% that could make it...For women, are we talking 40% - 50%, 20% - 30%, 5% - 15%...at some point, economies of scale have to kick in...do we spend 80% of the training dollar on the 20% of women who MIGHT qualify?

Huh?

156 posted on 10/26/2014 3:54:55 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Starstruck

I am only guessing here, but my guess is that something about my previous post confused you...if you would like to try again, just grab your book, ‘English as a second language For Dummies’ and attempt to form a reply that will be coherent to the Americans that typically post on this forum...Thank You...


157 posted on 10/26/2014 4:01:20 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: dangerdoc

My son is a corpsman and was deployed on a MEU. At 6’2” 180, he said he felt like a midget. The “average” Marine weighed 170, but the recon and weps were half again as big. He got to carry all the guys in his squads— by himself. He did all the training that they had even though it wasn’t required. He enjoyed it, especially the heavy weapons, but it tears a body up—literally.


158 posted on 10/26/2014 4:01:36 PM PDT by antidisestablishment (When the passion of your convictions surpass those of your leader, it's past time for a change.)
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To: Reno89519
At the end of the day the Marines, like all services, need to find ways to bring women into combat, to respect that they can and should be equal participants, that they have different physical limits

You forgot the sarcasm tag - I hope.

159 posted on 10/26/2014 4:11:50 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

IOC occurs at the same camp, different program, IOC ain’t TBS.


160 posted on 10/26/2014 4:13:02 PM PDT by xone
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