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China's Selling the J-31, But Who's Buying?
The Diplomat ^ | November 14, 2014 | Robert Farley

Posted on 11/13/2014 7:57:38 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Who’s going to buy the J-31?

The recent appearance of the aircraft at the Zhuhai airshow, as well as the comments of a smattering of Chinese officials, led to a spate of articles suggesting that China was interested in the J-31 primarily as an export model. Conceivably, the J-31 could occupy a low-end stealth fighter niche that currently has no other entrants.

Some have billed the J-31 as China’s answer to the F-35, as if that represented some sort of compliment. It’s hardly a stretch to suggest Pakistan would be a major customer, and perhaps Egypt as well. Beyond that? The United States can offer the F-35 to a wide range of European and Asian countries, all of which have strong economies, big defense budgets, an appetite for high tech, and an interest in cementing the long-term technological and political relationship with the United States.

Beijing doesn’t have the kind of friends that would do it the favor of buying something like the F-35. If the sanctions on Iran ease up in the wake of a successful nuclear deal, Tehran will be looking to buy advanced fighters. If the Assad government ever manages to win its civil war, it too will need new fighters, but probably won’t be able to afford anything like the J-31. The Gulf monarchies buy weapons in order to create political ties, and are unlikely to shift their attention from Washington to Beijing unless the international system changes in immense and unforeseen ways.

Malaysia and Indonesia have been known to make adventurous decisions with respect to fighter purchases, but given the tensions in the South China Seas, it’s unlikely that China would want to significantly increase their capabilities, or that they’d want to tie themselves to Chinese support. Several Latin American countries may soon recapitalize their air forces, but the Europeans seem to have a leg up in that market, and thus far the Latin Americans seem satisfied with reliable generation 4.5 fighters.

Russia and India, of course, are right out.

At this point, no one has a good sense of how much the J-31 might cost, or how the Chinese might try to package it. If the J-31 resembles the F-35 in anything but superficial terms, the system add-ons will matter as much as the airframe itself. The F-35, after all, sells itself as the center of a system of sensor and communications systems that facilitates air command. This system requires a variety of other components (drones, EW aircraft, satellites), and the system is enhanced by the capacity of F-35s to work together to create a more accurate vision of the battlespace.

There’s no indication as of yet that the J-31 is supposed to have these kinds of emergent capabilities, and there’s little sense that China is capable of developing and exporting such systems along with the airframe. America’s friends buy the F-35 because they worry that their legacy aircraft won’t be able to coordinate effectively with U.S. planes in multilateral combat situations. China doesn’t have this kind of relationship with anyone, and consequently can’t make one of the biggest cases for buying a fifth generation fighter.

Competing with the F-35 requires more than developing an effective airframe. The F-35 remains attractive not because it’s awesome, but because it’s embedded in a larger set of political and technological relationships. China has a lot of work to do before it can compete with that.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; china; india; j31; russia; stealth

1 posted on 11/13/2014 7:57:38 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

America should buy one or two — just for the fun of taking them apart and looking for weaknesses.


2 posted on 11/13/2014 7:58:44 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both. Hat)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

ISIL has gold and cash money.


3 posted on 11/13/2014 7:58:58 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

>>Competing with the F-35 requires more than developing an effective airframe. The F-35 remains attractive not because it’s awesome, but because it’s embedded in a larger set of political and technological relationships. China has a lot of work to do before it can compete with that.<<

The definition of a camel: a mouse built to government specifications.’

The F-35 “flying anvil” has been so degraded by mission creep that it can be bested by an off the shelf F-16 or F/A-18. Of course, said F-35 doesn’t have a chance against an F-15.


4 posted on 11/13/2014 8:02:56 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Measure with a micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with an axe)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’d like to see something more than a prototype before I plunk down my money, thank you.


5 posted on 11/13/2014 8:07:21 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

what a ripoff!


6 posted on 11/13/2014 8:17:00 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: BenLurkin

China’s oldest ally is already planning to sign up

http://www.janes.com/article/45718/airshow-china-2014-pakistan-in-talks-to-buy-30-40-fc-31s

while continuing to receive US aid...


7 posted on 11/13/2014 8:18:06 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Robert Farley is exceedingly ignorant about the F-35.


8 posted on 11/13/2014 8:31:24 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop
Robert Farley is exceedingly ignorant about the F-35.
And seems to be sort of a dick in general.
9 posted on 11/13/2014 8:36:52 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: freedumb2003

google has never heard of anyone other than you calling the f-35 the “flying anvil”. One other reference, and that one was also a post of yours here on FR.

I thought the plane had a new nickname, but apparently all it has is a dedicated detractor.


10 posted on 11/13/2014 8:42:14 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: JohnBrowdie
google has never heard of anyone other than you calling the f-35 the “flying anvil”.

I thought the plane had a new nickname, but apparently all it has is a dedicated detractor.

Being a prophet is hard work!

11 posted on 11/13/2014 8:52:08 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Measure with a micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with an axe)
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To: smokingfrog
I’d like to see something more than a prototype before I plunk down my money, thank you

I should have said those very words when I got married the 1st time!

12 posted on 11/13/2014 8:53:41 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Measure with a micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with an axe)
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To: JohnBrowdie

Bookmark


13 posted on 11/13/2014 8:56:53 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius6961)
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To: freedumb2003

ah, ok. now I get it. but you’re gonna have to pick up the pace a bit ;)


14 posted on 11/13/2014 9:01:45 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The F-35 remains attractive not because it’s awesome, but because it’s embedded in a larger set of political and technological relationships.


The F-35 remains attractive because it’s awesome.


15 posted on 11/13/2014 9:06:38 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: BenLurkin

Just which European countries have a large defense budget?


16 posted on 11/13/2014 9:15:10 PM PST by Husker24
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To: rdcbn

Most compelling to me among the hullabaloo around the world about whether this plane is any good is that Israel,wants some of them....

If it were anything less than the very best warplane out there those Jews (respectfully) would not spend 143, 000,000 each for them!


17 posted on 11/14/2014 5:41:25 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

USA buy them and put US engines and avionics in them. It would be cheaper than each F-35 off the assembly line.


18 posted on 11/14/2014 1:01:41 PM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: hattend

You have probably picked the most expensive parts from F-35 and planning to put into clearly inferior airframe?:)
It doesn’t sounds smart from both budget and tactical perspective.


19 posted on 11/15/2014 5:40:51 AM PST by wetphoenix
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