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Dems' path after Obamacare: Down, down, down
Washington Examiner ^ | 11/14/2014 | Byron York

Posted on 11/14/2014 1:35:41 PM PST by SeekAndFind

There were 60 Democrats in the Senate on Christmas Eve 2009, when they voted in lockstep to pass the Affordable Care Act. Soon there will be 46 Democrats in the Senate, or perhaps 47, if Sen. Mary Landrieu manages to eke out a win in Louisiana. In plain numbers, the post-Obamacare trajectory has not been good for Senate Democrats.

The 46 or 47 Democrats in the next Senate are a bit different from the group that passed Obamacare. Sixteen of them took office after the Affordable Care Act was signed into law. They never had to vote for it and have never had to defend voting for it.

Are those post-Obamacare Democrats as strongly opposed to changing the law as their colleagues who voted for it? Or are they possibly a little less personally invested in staving off challenges? It's a question that will be tested in coming months.

"After [the midterms], the conditions for repeal and replace may be even better than most people think," writes a Senate Republican aide in an email exchange. "Not only is there a fresh crop of Republicans eager to make good on campaign pledges, but a significant number of Democrats have no particular attachment to the law and may even want to be rid of it as a political issue."

There could be some wishful thinking in that. Yes, the post-Obamacare Democrats include Sens. Joe Manchin, Joe Donnelly, Heidi Heitkamp, and perhaps another centrist or two. But there are a lot of solidly doctrinaire liberals in the post-Obamacare class: Chris Murphy, Richard Blumenthal, Mazie Hirono, Brian Schatz, and others. They'll likely be just as lockstep as their predecessors.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; 2014electionanalysis; abolishobamacare; california; democrats; jonathangruber; nancypelosi; obamacare; repealobamacare
To make fundamental changes in Obamacare, Senate Republicans will have to muster 60 votes, which means — if the GOP has 54 — they will need to find six Democrats to go along. On a few questions, that will probably be easy; for example, there is broad support for repealing Obamacare's medical device tax. There could be such support for restoring a 40-hour work week.
1 posted on 11/14/2014 1:35:41 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Is it this year that we start getting hit with our penalties for not having coverage? What will happen after that?


2 posted on 11/14/2014 1:37:15 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

3 posted on 11/14/2014 1:37:35 PM PST by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: demshateGod

Invest in ROPE manufacturing...................


4 posted on 11/14/2014 1:37:59 PM PST by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: SeekAndFind

They went down, down down,
That stinking ring of liars.
And they burned, burned, burned,
The ring of liars, The ring of liars...


5 posted on 11/14/2014 2:10:30 PM PST by Iron Munro (DHS has the same headcount as the US Marine Corps with twice the budget)
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To: SeekAndFind
We're not viewing this in the long run. Think of this as a chess game. The dims have sacrificed four of their pawns, a bishop, a rook and both knights.

They retain the King and Queen along with a rook and remaining pawns.

On the GOP-e side, we lost the Queen along with similar other pieces the dims have. Yet our King is constantly in check while we have yet the threaten their King.

The point is, the dims won't win the game outright. They are content to settle for stalemate.

But in politics, stalemate is a win.

They retain obamacare and have denied the GOP-e the supermajorities needed to override an obama veto. They also know the GOP-e doesn't have enough strategery to mount an effective counterattack.

6 posted on 11/14/2014 2:15:05 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: SeekAndFind

The GOP congressional leaders need to grow a pair and have a live TV news conference pointing out how the Dems are a bunch of liars that pulled the wool over the eyes of the uninformed about Obamacare.


7 posted on 11/14/2014 2:16:30 PM PST by jetson (Can I catch you a delicious bass...)
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To: SeekAndFind

For what it is worth (very little except in the numbers game), Sen. Angus King (I-Maine), has indicated that he will change over to the GOP side that would change it to 55-45 in Sen. Mary Landrieu loses as it now appears. The other “I-Independent” is Vermont’s Bernie Sanders who, as a self-identified Socialist, will remain with the Democrats.

Interestingly, at 55 the GOP will match its high-water mark matched only 3 other Congress terms (2 years) since WW2. On the other hand, the Democrats have exceeded the 55 count 13 times with their maximum count being 68 at the 89th Term (1965-7) since WW2.


8 posted on 11/14/2014 2:40:58 PM PST by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: ealgeone
Obamacare is collapsing in front of our eyes!

It has a sign up problem, a cost problem, a Supreme Court problem and an American Public problem.

It will end.

9 posted on 11/14/2014 2:45:29 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration

and..... in an attempt to be Abraham Lincoln, Obama is issuing his version of the illegal Emancipation Proclamation.

His problem is he isn’t looking a few months down the road


10 posted on 11/14/2014 2:52:10 PM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Unless Obama gets his amnesty.

Then we are screwed forever and ever. Hello state run everything.

11 posted on 11/14/2014 3:05:55 PM PST by skeeter
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To: demshateGod
Penalties were issued last year too. But this year they penalties are greater...I think at least twice as much.
12 posted on 11/14/2014 3:33:11 PM PST by what's up
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To: Iron Munro

Great Graphic!


13 posted on 11/14/2014 4:05:14 PM PST by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: ealgeone
We're not viewing this in the long run. Think of this as a chess game. The dims have sacrificed four of their pawns, a bishop, a rook and both knights.

We now have 2/3's of the State Houses. We make this move and it's checkmate against the statists!

14 posted on 11/14/2014 4:11:30 PM PST by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: Nateman

15 posted on 11/14/2014 6:44:21 PM PST by spokeshave (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people,)
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To: SeekAndFind

They need to tie it in with actual market reforms. Little things mean a lot. Let people buy insurance across state lines. Let individuals get the same tax preferred health insurance benefits corporations get.

We need pro-market reforms that keep our majority. Look at what Walker did. If the GOP could sustain 6% victories Democrats will never again win control of the federal legislature.

It is conservative populism that will serve best. Keep the Internet regulation and tax free. Let the terminally ill circumvent the FDA. That will flow naturally to demands to let the chronically ill do the same. Let drugs get automatic approval if they’ve already been approved in Canada, Britain, Australia, Japan, France or Germany. Let the FDA prove they’re not safe or effective.

Use the Commerce Clause to create a nationwide free market between the states. That’s the idea behind federalism: Competition.

The reason politicians aka control freaks hate the free market is because the consumer is king. Every politician and bureaucrat is a king in embryo. Stop em with clear and easily grasped concepts.

All the above ideas don’t need a majority of Americans to support them. Just a majority of voters. If you can win like Walker did, 52.3 to 46.6, or roughly 5-6 pts Dems cannot steal the election. Every GOP legislature needs to pass voter ID laws asap and purge the rolls and make vote fraud a felony with a bounty and big fines. The bounty will root out all the corruption for us. It’s hard to shoot down the felonies, fines and bounty as racist.

We need to run the show for a generation at least. That’s how you do it.


16 posted on 11/14/2014 7:09:29 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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17 posted on 11/14/2014 7:15:15 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: skeeter

He can’t grant them the path to citzenship, which is what the Democrats really want.


18 posted on 11/14/2014 9:17:10 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Once they are granted legal status citizenship is inevitable. We will NEVER revoke legal status.


19 posted on 11/15/2014 7:26:53 AM PST by skeeter
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
The 46 or 47 Democrats in the next Senate are a bit different from the group that passed Obamacare. Sixteen of them took office after the Affordable Care Act was signed into law. They never had to vote for it and have never had to defend voting for it... the post-Obamacare Democrats include Sens. Joe Manchin, Joe Donnelly, Heidi Heitkamp, and perhaps another centrist or two. But there are a lot of solidly doctrinaire liberals in the post-Obamacare class: Chris Murphy, Richard Blumenthal, Mazie Hirono, Brian Schatz, and others. They'll likely be just as lockstep as their predecessors.

20 posted on 11/15/2014 10:31:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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