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Ferguson Vs. New York City
Townhall.com ^ | December 5, 2014 | Linda Chavez

Posted on 12/05/2014 8:12:34 AM PST by Kaslin

The grand jury system -- indeed, the criminal jury system overall -- is not perfect. And while I think the grand jury in Ferguson got it right by not indicting Officer Darren Wilson in the death of Michael Brown, based on the physical evidence and credible testimony from actual witnesses, the outcome of a grand jury in New York City this week in the death of Eric Garner is another matter.

The two cases are worlds apart in terms of the actions of the men who died and the officers who caused their deaths. Unfortunately, on both sides of the argument, proponents seem all too ready to adopt a narrative that fits their politics rather than examining the facts.

In Ferguson, the race hustlers and their enablers, from Al Sharpton to Eric Holder, turned an unfortunate confrontation that ended in the death of a black man into a cause celebre. Racism did not cause Brown's death. Nor was he the victim of a police execution, as thousands of protestors try to convince us with their "hands up, don't shoot" mantra.

We know from forensics and testimony by African-American witnesses that Brown reached into the police cruiser, sustained a gunshot wound, ran away, with Wilson in pursuit, but then turned back and moved toward Wilson, who shot him. Casings from the officer's bullets and the location of Brown's body when he sustained the fatal shot demonstrate that Wilson was moving backward in apparent retreat at the time of Brown's death.

What happened on the streets of Staten Island between Eric Garner and a group of police officers looks nothing like what happened in Ferguson. Moreover, we know what happened far more clearly because a bystander filmed much of the confrontation. Those images make the grand jury's decision far less understandable. For all of the criticism of St. Louis County Prosecutor Robert McCulloch's decision to release the transcripts and evidence from the grand jury, at least we have some idea of what led to the decision not to indict. In the New York case, we don't have a clue.

What the video shows is a large black man arguing with police officers who are about to arrest him for the alleged resale of individual cigarettes. He is frustrated, angry even. He accuses the officers of harassing him -- he was arrested in an earlier incident on the same charge, the pettiest of offenses, a crime with no victims. But Garner is not a threat, although he resists arrest when a group of officers surround him, telling them not to touch him as he moves backward, not toward the police.

The video clearly shows Officer Daniel Pantaleo grabbing Garner from behind, with the officer's forearm pressed against Garner's neck, and wrestling him to the ground, the forearm against Garner's throat the whole time. I doubt that Pantaleo intended to kill Eric Garner, but that does not mean Pantaleo was blameless. The audio also demonstrates that Garner pleaded with what were by then several officers who held him on the ground, including one who pressed Garner's skull into the sidewalk. "I can't breathe," the asthmatic Garner begs over and over as a bevy of officers hold him down.

Police have difficult, dangerous jobs in which split-second decisions can have deadly consequences. But Eric Garner was no Michael Brown, and the officers who held down Garner -- including, but not limited to, Daniel Pantaleo -- had no reason to fear for their lives as Darren Wilson did.

To pretend that police never overreact or use excessive force is as wrong as to claim racism is usually to blame when a police officer kills a black or Latino suspect. Neither serves the public good.

In the case of Ferguson, the U.S. attorney general and an army of media quickly descended on the town in search of evidence of racism. But the facts didn't comport with their presumption.

It's unclear whether race played any role in what led to Eric Garner's death. At least one of the police officers in the video is black and another appears to be Asian. But racism is not the only motivation for police to sometimes exceed their authority, to use excessive force, even to behave brutally. Police power is an awesome force -- and one that requires reasonable restraint.

One does not have to be a bleeding-heart liberal to find fault with the grand jury's decision in New York City. The facts, not politics, should guide our reaction in both cases.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: blackcommunity; ferguson; newyork

1 posted on 12/05/2014 8:12:34 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

2 posted on 12/05/2014 8:20:41 AM PST by Iron Munro (D.H.S. has the same headcount as the US Marine Corps with twice the budget)
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To: Kaslin

One does not have to be a bleeding-heart liberal to find fault with the grand jury’s decision in New York City. The facts, not politics, should guide our reaction in both cases.


Unfortunately, the liberals and the media are using both cases to say this is part of a pattern of cases of black men being singled out by cops.

I agree facts should guide decisions of grand juries, and that the results of our justice system should be respected.

But who are the ones who are not respecting the results of our justice system procedures????

I’ve heard liberals also throwing Trayvon into the mix as they rail about brutality against young black men. Also a couple of other cases from other cities which haven’t gotten national publicity.

The liberals are trying to push a narrative that our system is racist, cops are racist, young black men are singled out, all of these cases are part of a tragic pattern. That’s where we are at. Linda Chavez makes some good points but the liberals are not allowing us to proceed as she describes.


3 posted on 12/05/2014 8:25:56 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: Kaslin

“New York City?”

“Get a rope.”


4 posted on 12/05/2014 8:38:21 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Kaslin

” One does not have to be a bleeding-heart liberal to find fault with the grand jury’s decision in New York City. The facts, not politics, should guide our reaction in both cases.”

I guess Chavez was a member of the jury. She knows all.


5 posted on 12/05/2014 8:46:26 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Unfortunately, the liberals and the media are using both cases to say this is part of a pattern of cases of black men being singled out by cops.

The timing of the release of NY Grand Jury finding is indeed unfortunate.

It has given liberals an authentic cause to protest and allowed the race pimps to conflate the NY and Ferguson police actions.

Rather than being reviewed and discussed on the facts, the death of Michael Brown is now lumped in with the death of Eric Garner with both being distorted as racist police actions.

I would wager that hardly any of the protesters are informed of the real facts about Furguson. Most are motivated by the distortions of the race pimps and the biased reports in the media..

Ad of course, as always. there is a contingent waiting in the wings to take advantage of any issue to recreate their glory days of the 1960's demonstrations.


6 posted on 12/05/2014 8:46:34 AM PST by Iron Munro (D.H.S. has the same headcount as the US Marine Corps with twice the budget)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

In the words of mb’s dad....”burn this bi**h down”.


7 posted on 12/05/2014 8:47:35 AM PST by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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To: rktman

yeah..


8 posted on 12/05/2014 8:50:19 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens.)
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To: onedoug

The problem is that a large segment of our population has come to believe that they have a RIGHT to resist arrest, even though post-arrest remedies are fully available for victims of improper arrest. A complete lack of respect for authority. When the inevitable death or injury results, they put the cops under a the microscope of hindsight, criticize the laws being enforced, and make heroes of thugs and scofflaws.


9 posted on 12/05/2014 8:51:28 AM PST by Socon-Econ
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To: Iron Munro

It’s “Pants Up, Don’t Loot”.


10 posted on 12/05/2014 9:02:50 AM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Kaslin

I have a question: Doesn’t the NYC police chief serve at the pleasure of the mayor? Isn’t there a line of command here and a reporting structure such that the one guy who is in a position to make substantive chair the mayor?

I ask, because it seems to me that De Blasio complaining about the NYC police is like the CEO of General Motors complaining about the low quality of GM cars, as if someone else entirely is to blame. To me it makes no sense.


11 posted on 12/05/2014 9:20:26 AM PST by drellberg
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To: Iron Munro

The “facts” are he resisted arrest. Garner would be alive and out of jail by now if he hadn’t resisted arrest. End of story.


12 posted on 12/05/2014 10:34:33 AM PST by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: Kaslin
I work in NYC, and I have to say, things have been totally OK since this decision. Mostly peaceful demonstrations which I've managed unintentionally avoid, and none of that powder keg sense that something's going to blow.

I'm totally OK with peaceful demonstrations all day.

13 posted on 12/05/2014 10:52:40 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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