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U.S.-Russia Clash in Ukraine?
Townhall.com ^ | February 3, 2015 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 02/03/2015 6:15:19 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: ansel12

lol...
I’m “anti-American” because I note the truth??
You are really whacked out, dude. Do you work of OFA, too?

Please link to me EVER defending “Russia’s right to own and enslave nations”

It is EXACTLY that type of hysterical strawman rhetoric that has caused people, not just here, but around the world, to no longer believe anything that Kiev says.


61 posted on 02/03/2015 9:52:51 AM PST by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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To: ansel12

Russia has invaded NATO?
WHICH Nato border??
Does CNN know about it, yet?
Why aren’t the nukes flying?

Your hysterical crap has gotten really funny!!
But it’s not just here. I see this exact same meme being pimped in many places on the internet.


62 posted on 02/03/2015 9:55:17 AM PST by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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To: tcrlaf

You keep calling Ukraine a country on Russia’s border, well it is a country on our NATO borders, and Russia is invading it.

If you are with us, you sure hide it well, as you seem to be arguing for Russia, and spouting what serves Russia.


63 posted on 02/03/2015 10:02:24 AM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: ansel12

bovine excrement...
I’ve been following this since it began.
YOU HOWEVER, are propagandizing and trolling.

Do you deny that Obama and Psaki have now admitted they “arranged” the coup in Ukraine?


64 posted on 02/03/2015 10:25:48 AM PST by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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To: ansel12

While you are at it, define “US”...

Is “US” the Obamunists and OFA?


65 posted on 02/03/2015 10:26:41 AM PST by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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To: tcrlaf

You seem to represent Putin’s interests very well, too bad you aren’t on our side.


66 posted on 02/03/2015 10:27:06 AM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: ansel12

Again, define “our” side...
You certainly don’t mean America’s.
Shouldn’t you be in your next “techclass”, anyway?


67 posted on 02/03/2015 10:32:11 AM PST by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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To: tcrlaf

Of course I mean America’s side, since that is all that I have ever argued while you keep looking out for Putin’s side and against America/NATO.

That is what we are arguing about. I want Putin stopped, you don’t.

What is a “techclass”


68 posted on 02/03/2015 10:35:46 AM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: Kaslin
“Among Cold War presidents, from Truman to Bush I, there was an unwritten rule: Do not challenge Moscow in its Central and Eastern Europe sphere of influence.”

But things have changed since then. Russians lost the cold war. They fall off the 1st league and now sits in the 2nd row, together with Brazil etc.

Central and Eastern Europe WAS Russia's sphere of influence just like much of Asia WAS Japan's sphere of influence. It simply isn't anymore. It's not a matter of personal opinion, It's a matter of cold facts. 3 decades ago half of Europe was under Kremlin's direct control. Now leaders of these countries can laugh in the face of Kremlin's guy and Kremlin can do nothing except releasing strongly worded statements.

69 posted on 02/03/2015 10:45:28 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: ansel12

Are you saying what Obama wants is “America’s side”?
Really??
On FR, no less??

In this case, I don’t believe Obama has “America’s best interests” in mind regarding Ukraine.
Even Wolf Blitzer has been forced to admit it is a wizzing contest between Obama and Putin.

Why are you supporting OBAMA???


70 posted on 02/03/2015 10:45:30 AM PST by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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To: goldstategop

“This is not your grandfather’s Red army.”

Of course not. His grandfather’s Red army was at least 20 times more powerful.


71 posted on 02/03/2015 10:46:30 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: tcrlaf

America and the West, and NATO, and Russia and Putin, all predate Obama, and ALL will be here in in 24 months when he leaves office.

As you keep supporting Russia invading Ukraine, you make it clear that you are not one of us, but one of Putin’s people.

There is nothing good that can come from allowing Russia to conquer European nations, or any nation anywhere. You guys had your way for generations, especially with what you enslaved during and after WWII, but Reagan brought you down, and we don’t want you to restart now that Reagan is gone.


72 posted on 02/03/2015 10:52:31 AM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
“One Nuke—hit one US city and it would be over—we lose.”

Oh man. If you think that Putin is capable of nuking a US city for sending some Javelins to a sovereign country that doesn't even have arms export embargo imposed and buy military equipment from other countries as we speak then you must be thinking he is some kind of Hitler 2.0.

He isn't Hitler 2.0 or even any KGB “strongman”, he is just some botox clown that used to push the paper around in the KGB some decades ago.

73 posted on 02/03/2015 10:54:13 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: ansel12

Yeah, Russia is a former shell of itself. On a conventional basis, I think even the U.S. Army of the Vietnam era, circa 1968-1970, could take Russia of 2014, even with the equipment we had in 1968-1970. Still the crumpler is that thy have nukes and can still tear us up pretty bad. Even so, the invasion of another sovereign nation is not to be taken lightly, we can’t go to war over it ourselves, but I think there are ways we can express our outrage and perhaps help out the Ukraine with materials. If I could magically wave my hand, I’d give the Ukraine 5000 M-60 tanks and 500 F-15’s. I think the mistake they made was to give up their nukes, at one time, the Ukraine was like the 3rd or 4th largest nuclear power in the world.


74 posted on 02/03/2015 10:55:21 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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To: ansel12

“our way”? I’m in Indiana, dude.
Chill with your trolling.


75 posted on 02/03/2015 10:56:59 AM PST by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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To: Nowhere Man

“I think the mistake they made was to give up their nukes, at one time, the Ukraine was like the 3rd or 4th largest nuclear power in the world.”

After the fall of the Soviet Union, a broke and already corrupt Ukraine became the world’s largest-ever arms bazaar. They were selling everything that wasn’t nailed down, and some things that were, to anybody with cash.

We moved to secure the nukes, in the fear that they would end up in muzzie hands, and spent BILLIONS for them, that disappeared into Ukraine’s cesspool of corruption.


76 posted on 02/03/2015 11:01:06 AM PST by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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To: tcrlaf

It isn’t trolling on my part tcrlaf, and it doesn’t matter where you are posting your anti-American/West, pro-Putin arguments from.

wetpheonix was one of your best partners, and he claimed to be in Putin’s old KGB unit, the FSB, and posting from Russia.

There have always been Americans that supported Russia over the US and NATO, during the Reagan years they were truly hysterical.


77 posted on 02/03/2015 11:04:19 AM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: tcrlaf

“Why are you supporting OBAMA???”

Yawn. Cheap trick.


78 posted on 02/03/2015 11:08:30 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Nowhere Man

Even the Army of the Vietnam war? I think it would vastly outclass the Russian Army.

As far as nukes, we all have nukes, and Russia didn’t want to use them to save their empire, they won’t be committing suicide by going out in a nuclear war now.

There is nothing that Russia or anyone in the world is doing, that would make want Russia to annihilate itself in nuclear war.

There is no nuclear standoff going on.


79 posted on 02/03/2015 11:09:18 AM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: tcrlaf

By the way, you never told me, what is a “techclass”?


80 posted on 02/03/2015 11:12:17 AM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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