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PUTIN BLAMES WEST;NATO EXPANSION, WEAK CONTRIBUTIONS, ECONOMIC WARFARE FUELING WW3--(Vanity)
BBC News, Myself ^ | 02/10/2015 | Stayfrosty

Posted on 02/09/2015 11:24:10 PM PST by Stayfrosty

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To: Drew68
So why not give eastern Ukraine autonomy? This is what they want.

First, it's not up to us. And second, maybe Russia is using some undue influence there like that referendum they pushed through in Crimea.

21 posted on 02/10/2015 8:29:48 PM PST by Dan Cooper
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First, it's not up to us. And second, maybe Russia is using some undue influence there like that referendum they pushed through in Crimea.

You think the referendum in Crimea was illegitimate? I was in Sevastopol in August '13 and I can assure you, those people are about as pro-Russian as they come.

22 posted on 02/10/2015 8:35:39 PM PST by Drew68
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REALLY??

How was it legitimate?
Russia attacks, takes over a sovereign nation, and conducts a ‘vote’ via a barrel of a gun.

Yeah that sounds legitimate. What world do you live in?


23 posted on 02/10/2015 8:37:47 PM PST by KOZ.
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Yeah that sounds legitimate. What world do you live in?

The world where Russians tend to be pro-Russia. Perhaps your observations were different during your travels to Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. If so, please indulge me. We can compare notes.

24 posted on 02/10/2015 9:17:02 PM PST by Drew68
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Sure, here are some notes you can compare:

The flags that fly in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine are in fact Ukrainian. You want to know why? Because that is Ukrainian soil.

IF there are ‘pro-russians’ in some place in the world, does that mean Russians can invade that sovereign nation, take it over, and kill it’s people?

Who gives a rat’s ass if there were ‘pro-russians’ there?

Ukraine is not Russia.

I will never understand Russian mentality. Seems deranged to me.


25 posted on 02/10/2015 9:53:34 PM PST by KOZ.
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The flags that fly in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine are in fact Ukrainian.

Funny you mention flags in Crimea. My first observation upon arriving was the number of Russian flags I saw all over the place. And this was August, 2013, before the re-annexation.

You want to know why? Because that is Ukrainian soil.

You do realize Crimea had been Russian since Catherine the Great. In a meaningless Soviet-era gesture, Krushchev ceded the peninsula to Ukraine.

26 posted on 02/10/2015 10:25:15 PM PST by Drew68
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You can make all the excuses you want, when a foreign nation attacks and takes over a sovereign nation, it is nothing but thuggery.

And that’s what Russians are. If you took the entire world to the borders during the time of Catherine the Great, the world would look different. So what?

A country’s borders are to be respected not taken over whenever some piece of shit dictator wants to create ‘novorossiya’.

Again, Russians are nothing but thugs, always have been and always will be.

So answer this question...if I plant a flag of Koz on your property and move my family in, can I attack you and take it over?


27 posted on 02/11/2015 5:47:14 AM PST by KOZ.
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