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Rereading American Betrayal: How FDR's Soviet Recognition Changed the USA Beyond Recognition
dianawest.net ^ | February 26, 2015 | Diana West

Posted on 02/27/2015 11:10:40 AM PST by No One Special

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To: zeestephen

the germans would have had their army split as long as they abandoned any idea of attacking Britain

that would have left them weak and 1000 miles away from their other front

The Russians would have kept fighting without our help, not as well, but kept at it

Too many Ukrainians liked the Nazis, though, the german army would have had a lot of free warriors


41 posted on 02/27/2015 4:24:43 PM PST by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: Leaning Right
Actually the Allies did make an attempt to overthrow the Bolshevik gov. right after WWI. In 1919 the U.S. and Britain sent troops to Russia to try and help the White forces.

But there were too few troops sent and most of the participants of WWI were understandably sick of war. The Allied troops fought halfheartedly for a about a year and were then withdrawn. All the White forces were subsequently defeated by the Bolsheviks, and that set the course of history for the next seventy years.

If the democratic world could have seen what evil the Soviet Union would perpetrate in the next seventy years, maybe they would have stuck with it and helped the Whites defeat the Bolsheviks. 20-20 hindsight.

42 posted on 02/27/2015 4:44:09 PM PST by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: driftless2

Although I had great admiration for Marshall Pilsudski, his biggest mistake was not aiding the Whites against the Reds, because of his hatred of the Czar, he found out real soon that was a big mistake when the Red Army was just outside of Warsaw in 1920.


43 posted on 02/27/2015 4:50:33 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: zeestephen

The better question is “would Hitler have come to power” if the Soviet Union did not exist?

His main enemy in the German street were Communists. Fighting them was his legitimacy.

If Kerensky had prevailed, would any of this have happened?


44 posted on 02/28/2015 10:30:41 AM PST by Regulator
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To: Regulator

Good point, the German industrialists were scared of the Bolsheviks, and while they didn’t particularly like Hitler, they saw him as their best chance to oppose them.

Hitler had a lot of opposition within the Nazi party ranks, because many in the SA, were pretty much Communists themselves, who wanted complete government control of all German industry; that was one of the reasons for the Night of the Long Knives.


45 posted on 02/28/2015 10:34:48 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Regulator
I'd call it an “equally interesting” question.

If I recall my Russian history correctly, an earlier World War was largely responsible for Kerensky's failure.

He insisted that Russia stay in the very unpopular First World War, which meant more Russians dead or grievously wounded, and which meant further destruction of Russia's already terrible economy.

One other point, from memory...

As I recall, Kerensky, at heart, was a decent man and a Utopian socialist.

Lenin, at heart, was a radical revolutionary, and a ruthless murderer.

Not exactly a fair fight, for Russia, or for world history.

46 posted on 02/28/2015 3:40:50 PM PST by zeestephen
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