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Rereading American Betrayal: How FDR's Soviet Recognition Changed the USA Beyond Recognition
dianawest.net ^ | February 26, 2015 | Diana West

Posted on 02/27/2015 11:10:40 AM PST by No One Special

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To: Responsibility2nd

“FDR’s alliance with Russia was all about WWII.”

I believe she is referring to official diplomatic recognition of the U.S.S.R. in 1933; long before joining forces with them in WWII.


21 posted on 02/27/2015 12:00:12 PM PST by LaRueLaDue (Remember- allah is the Charles Manson of deities, and mohammed is his Tex Watson. - LysolMotorola)
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To: Leaning Right

Ironically Hitler was hoping that Stalin would have agreed to lead Hitler’s Russian Puppet State. Despite being bitter enemies, Hitler greatly admired Stalin.


22 posted on 02/27/2015 12:02:15 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Despite being bitter enemies, Hitler greatly admired Stalin.

Socialists love other socialists.

23 posted on 02/27/2015 12:10:57 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: GraceG

Ditto That!

24 posted on 02/27/2015 12:14:23 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: No One Special
so WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE!

its water under the bridge, its a moot point, there is nothing to be done about it....

I am so tired of people "discovering" past wrongs or even present wrongs and do nothing physical about it....

like our pubs...we can't stop immigration, nor the IRS, nor obamanocare, nor VA scandals, nor the helping of ISIS and other moslem terrorists...just like the white kid never fights back....just sits there and takes it....

25 posted on 02/27/2015 12:14:42 PM PST by cherry
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To: No One Special

One day maybe,mwe’ll learn all of the truth. Maybe too late.


26 posted on 02/27/2015 12:17:10 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: No One Special

Simple: Democrats LOVE DEATH.


27 posted on 02/27/2015 12:28:59 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: No One Special

Stunning quote.

Transformation or milepost? It certainly was a marker, but was it a cause?


28 posted on 02/27/2015 12:39:36 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: dfwgator

Very doubtful it would have collapsed the Soviet government. The capitol would have simply shifted eastwards to the safe zone. Napoleon burned Moscow. Russians had that in their institutional memory bank that loss of Moscow does not mean the government has collapsed, or that the invaders have won.


29 posted on 02/27/2015 12:49:01 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: BenLurkin
FDR — one of the great villains in American history. Possibly the worst.

I've long felt that FDR was the worst tyrant the USA has ever had. If more people read about his presidency, they'd be shocked to see how he trampled on people's rights in order to run those failed economic policies. Thank goodness the NRA was ruled unconstitutional by the SCOTUS (of course, that led to King FDR's attempt to enlarge and pack the court).

FDR is the worst, followed by LBJ and Hussein IMO. But actually, our current woes can probably be traced back to FDR's commie-riddled administration which set up an anti-American apparatus that still operates.

30 posted on 02/27/2015 12:49:17 PM PST by Sans-Culotte (Psalm 14:1 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”)
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To: No One Special

One of the most insightful/important analysis to show up on FR in a long time, IMHO. God, I hate what the left has done to this country.


31 posted on 02/27/2015 12:51:27 PM PST by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Read America Betrayal and Freedom Betrayed. You will begin to understand how the U.S. was manipulated with help from inside the White House and the State Department to enter a war fought for the benefit of the Soviet Union. Stalin had this figured out by 1938. The Soviet Union entered the war bankrupt and came out in control of Eastern Europe with China soon turning communist. FDR helped him every step of the way. We are taught the war was started to protect the independence of Poland and it ended with Poland owned by the Soviet Union. So what really was in play? Read the books.


32 posted on 02/27/2015 2:16:24 PM PST by BethelPatriot
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To: tanknetter
Re: “Appears to be strikingly similar to what Obama is trying to do with Iran.”

Also, I think, what the Israeli Left is trying to do with the murderous Palestinians.

Also, what the American Jewish Left encourages Israel to do.

33 posted on 02/27/2015 2:24:10 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: No One Special; KC_Lion; null and void; Velveeta; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; Myrddin; MamaDearest; ...
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Rereading American Betrayal: How FDR's Soviet Recognition Changed the USA Beyond Recognition

Thanks, KC_Lion. .

34 posted on 02/27/2015 2:31:41 PM PST by LucyT
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To: No One Special

Wow, terrific post.

Thanks for putting this up.

It’s always exciting to discover that someone else has clearly expressed things you have thought about for decades.

Now, I have a question for the many part time World War II historians on this thread who, like me, who are drawn to books like this.

What would have happened in Europe after June 1941 if the USA had not supported the Soviet Union?

Many people do not realize the truly massive scale of military supplies we sent.

I think the USSR would have collapsed, or, at the very least, Stalin would have had to surrender everything west of the Volga.

How would we have fought the war in Europe if Hitler had been comfortably ensconced in western Russia without a serious military threat on that front?


35 posted on 02/27/2015 2:56:14 PM PST by zeestephen
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How would we have fought the war in Europe if Hitler had been comfortably ensconced in western Russia without a serious military threat on that front?

My general feeling is that Hitler would hav been in this position if we had not provided lend-lease military aid to Stalin and once Hitler was so ensconced, he would have been very difficult to remove. So despite my misgivings of having Stalin as an ally and despite all that happened after that, I think it was necessary. But I am no historian in any sense. This is but a seat of the pants judgement. Would love to see some more learned judgements.

36 posted on 02/27/2015 3:33:30 PM PST by No One Special
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To: No One Special

youtube links to Diana West speaking oin this book, must watch!

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkoOH05Yvyb2IfDUSxkoYQSrKyH9XORbq


37 posted on 02/27/2015 4:12:41 PM PST by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: BenLurkin

The Roosevelt Myth

http://mises.org/library/roosevelt-myth


38 posted on 02/27/2015 4:16:48 PM PST by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

not true, in fact, one of the final points you realize in her book, is that we did not fight to our doctrine, but to soviet doctrine, we waxed the Nazis only AFTER the soviets entered German territory, we didnt invade until Russia was inside German borders

and she makes it clear, it appears to have been why we waited so long to invade Europe in France


39 posted on 02/27/2015 4:18:56 PM PST by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: rlmorel

http://www.conservapedia.com/List_of_Americans_in_the_Venona_papers


40 posted on 02/27/2015 4:19:48 PM PST by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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