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Powerful forces seek to end counseling for reluctant gays
LifeSiteNews ^ | 6/11/15 | Austin Ruse

Posted on 06/11/2015 10:33:33 AM PDT by wagglebee

NEW YORK, June 11, 2015 (C-Fam) -- The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights issued a report last week on LGBT issues. In that document he called for an end to “conversion therapy.”

President Obama also made a call for the end to “conversion therapy” last week.

Various American states have made “conversion therapy” illegal for minors. The Southern Poverty Law Center, along with gay activist Wayne Besen, is campaigning for “conversion therapy” to be made illegal coast to coast.

Opponents of therapy for those with unwanted same-sex desire and behavior use the term “conversion therapy” as an epithet. They also use the phrase “pray away the gay.”

At issue is medical choice. Do adults have the right to seek treatment for sexual desires and behavior they find objectionable for whatever reason? Also at issue is whether parents have the right to seek the same kind of treatment for their minor children.

Advocates for homosexuality believe that it is inborn and a normal part of human sexuality and that it does not need to be treated.

This month the New Jersey Superior Court is hearing a case that tests these propositions. Four young men, orthodox Jews, were uncomfortable with being attracted to other men and in some cases acting out on those desires. None of the young men identified as gay at the time and each of them felt same-sex desires and actions were not in keeping with their deeply held religious beliefs. Each of them sought out the services of a “Torah-based” counseling referral service called JONAH founded by Arthur Goldberg and Elaine Berk.

The young men are now claiming that JONAH lied to them that unwanted same-sex attraction can be successfully treated. With the help of the $340 million Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) they are suing JONAH under the New Jersey Consumer Fraud Act. If JONAH loses, the counselors will be on the hook to SPLC for upwards of $4 million in attorneys’ fees as well as for any additional fines Judge Bariso finds appropriate. What’s more, such a ruling could have the effect of shutting down similar therapy all over New Jersey.

The suit is part of a national – even a global – campaign, to shut down all counseling for those with unwanted same-sex attraction. It might seem odd that “progressives” are attempting to step between someone seeking help and their doctor. One of the arguments on the abortion question is that no one should step between a woman and her doctor, and now they are seeking to step between anyone and everyone with unwanted same-sex desire and the doctors they seek help from.

Elaine Berk showed the Friday Fax a death threat they received by email while in court on Tuesday.

It said, “God wants all at Jonah to know that God loves homosexuals and that God supports equality, especially in marriage, and God supports protection for LGBT against discrimination, especially discrimination by ‘Christian’ fundamentalists and extremists. God is very angry at Jonah, because Jonah refuses to obey God’s will. God has decided that the people running Jonah do not deserve to live on planet earth any longer. Jonah has betrayed God. Therefore God will send all at Jonah to Hell soon.”

Reprinted with permission from C-Fam


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It said, “God wants all at Jonah to know that God loves homosexuals and that God supports equality, especially in marriage, and God supports protection for LGBT against discrimination, especially discrimination by ‘Christian’ fundamentalists and extremists. God is very angry at Jonah, because Jonah refuses to obey God’s will. God has decided that the people running Jonah do not deserve to live on planet earth any longer. Jonah has betrayed God. Therefore God will send all at Jonah to Hell soon.”

So, if Bruce Jenner decides he doesn't want to be a man anymore he is applauded, but when a homosexual decides that he doesn't want to be a homosexual anymore he is liable to receive death threats.

1 posted on 06/11/2015 10:33:33 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 06/11/2015 10:34:12 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Prayer to God will be outlawed by next year.


3 posted on 06/11/2015 10:40:26 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: wagglebee
Advocates for homosexuality believe that it is inborn and a normal part of human sexuality and that it does not need to be treated.

Actually, I don't think this is true any more. They may still claim this to pull the wool over the eyes of the masses, but I don't think they believe it at all.

I've known ex-gays. I'm sure it's hard to make the change, just as it's hard to get past schizophrenia. But being hard doesn't make it wrong.

4 posted on 06/11/2015 10:43:07 AM PDT by ArGee (Two roads diverged in the wood and I, I took the one less traveled by, and now I am SOOOOOOOO lost.)
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To: ArGee
Truthfully, I don't think they EVER believed that homosexuals are "born that way," they just think that gives them some sort of moral standing.

I'm sure it's hard to make the change, just as it's hard to get past schizophrenia. But being hard doesn't make it wrong.

Exactly. Many people suffer from sinful mental disorders that are difficult to overcome, but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be treated.

5 posted on 06/11/2015 10:47:01 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: SkyPilot

If you like your Therapist you can keep your Therapist.


6 posted on 06/11/2015 10:55:32 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: wagglebee

Translation: “We worked hard to recruit these (homosexuals) we’re not going to let you just take them back...”


7 posted on 06/11/2015 11:11:51 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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The Truth About the Homosexual Rights Movement

http://www.virtueonline.org/truth-about-homosexual-rights-movement-ronald-g-lee


8 posted on 06/11/2015 11:15:33 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: SkyPilot

According to liberal doctrine, these people can change their gender but not their orientation. Orientation would mean counseling while gender means genital mutilation and drugs. Go figure.


9 posted on 06/11/2015 11:19:39 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Consistency is not a liberal “strong suit”...


10 posted on 06/11/2015 11:25:02 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: wagglebee

The gaystapo has to recruit gays. They simply can not breed.


11 posted on 06/11/2015 11:29:07 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: wagglebee
God is very angry at Jonah, because Jonah refuses to obey God’s will.
God has decided that the people running Jonah do not deserve to live
on planet earth any longer.

Jonah has betrayed God. Therefore God will send all at Jonah to Hell soon.”


That is just plain and simple blasphemy. Only completely insane people think they
can read God's mind and then kill people because of their own twisted madness.

Some authoritative body should be clamping down on these insane people to
prevent them from killing the innocent.

Even the cadence and childish explanation of the doom of these good people
indicate exactly how retarded these wanna-be killers truly are.
12 posted on 06/11/2015 11:31:09 AM PDT by TheOldLady (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8 - Look it up. I miss the Gipper. Wish we still had someone like him.)
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To: TheOldLady
Only completely insane people think they can read God's mind and then kill people because of their own twisted madness.

Mass-murderers throughout history have done so because "God told them" to do it. However, as best I can remember, the ONLY TIME in Scripture that God ever told anyone to murder another person is when He commanded Abraham to kill Isaac and then He STOPPED Abraham as soon as He saw that Abraham was willing to do it.

13 posted on 06/11/2015 11:36:48 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Oh, indeed. No one doing “God’s” will to kill someone can
quote any scripture to back up their claims.

Only Abraham, and the victim, Isaac, survived by God’s Grace.


14 posted on 06/11/2015 11:51:38 AM PDT by TheOldLady (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8 - Look it up. I miss the Gipper. Wish we still had someone like him.)
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To: SkyPilot

Looking at the paper this morning there was a Dear Abbey letter, some guy that was changing to a women was upset his wife was not happy about it, Abbey said the wife needs to get into counseling.


15 posted on 06/11/2015 12:00:26 PM PDT by Jolla
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To: wagglebee

The homostapo have gone all out in their persecution and their agenda knowing that their messiah will be gone soon and they would have to wait a few more years to get all their agenda passed.

Hopefully Cruz has the balls to overturn much what they have done in the military and place judges who understand what is going on.


16 posted on 06/11/2015 12:21:57 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

So they can say normal people can change to homosexuals, and men and women can change their sex, but homosexuals can’t go back to being normal.

It’s like the left with not supporting the death penalty , because of life is precious , but then support killing babies.

Hypocrites.


17 posted on 06/11/2015 12:23:36 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Jolla

HUH REALLY!


18 posted on 06/11/2015 12:24:04 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: wagglebee
The Southern Poverty Law Center

Yeah ... I always figured Morris Dees was a cxxk sxxxer.

19 posted on 06/11/2015 12:24:09 PM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
According to liberal doctrine, these people can change their gender but not their orientation. Orientation would mean counseling while gender means genital mutilation and drugs. Go figure.

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Well said. It doesn't get any nuttier than this.

20 posted on 06/11/2015 12:27:46 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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