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New York Times Op-Ed: Stop Revering the Magna Carta
New York Times ^ | 06/15/2015 | By TOM GINSBURG

Posted on 06/15/2015 11:46:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

MAGNA CARTA, on which King John placed his seal 800 years ago today, is synonymous in the English-speaking world with fundamental rights and the rule of law. It’s been celebrated, and appropriated, by everyone from Tea Party members to Jay Z, who called his latest album “Magna Carta Holy Grail.”

But its fame rests on several myths. First, it wasn’t effective. In fact, it was a failure. John was a weak king who had squandered the royal fortune on a fruitless war with France. Continually raising taxes to pay for his European adventures, he provoked a revolt by his barons, who forced him to sign the charter. But John repudiated the document immediately, and the barons sought to replace him. John avoided that fate by dying.

The next year, his young son reissued Magna Carta, without some of the clauses. It was reissued several times more in the 13th century — the 1297 version is the one on display in the National Archives and embodied in English law. But the original version hardly constrained the monarch.

A second myth is that it was the first document of its type. Writing in 1908, Woodrow Wilson called it the beginning of constitutional government. But in fact, it was only one of many documents from the period, in England and elsewhere, codifying limitations on government power.

A third myth is that the document was a ringing endorsement of liberty. Even a cursory reading reveals a number of oddities. One clause prevents Jews from charging interest on a debt held by an underage heir. Another limits women’s ability to bear witness to certain homicides. A third requires the removal of fish traps from the Thames.

Why, then, is Magna Carta so revered?

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: constitution; godsgravesglyphs; kingjohn; magnacarta; newyork; newyorkcity; newyorkslimes; newyorktimes; steelydan; unitedkingdom
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1 posted on 06/15/2015 11:46:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
"...the barons sought to replace him. John avoided that fate by dying."

May that be the fate of all King Johns.

2 posted on 06/15/2015 11:48:16 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.s)
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To: SeekAndFind

Put the editor and author into a 3rd world country or debtor’s prison for awhile and they may get the idea the the Magna Carta isn’t just words and a pretty good idea of why it was written...


3 posted on 06/15/2015 11:50:41 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: SeekAndFind
Liberals are only happy when they are "deconstructing".

Its the constructing end of things they abhor and are consequently terrible at doing.

4 posted on 06/15/2015 11:51:46 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: SeekAndFind
"John was a weak king who had squandered the royal fortune on a fruitless war with France. Continually raising taxes to pay for his European adventures, he provoked a revolt by his barons"

This was not an uncommon chain of events during the Plantagenet dynasty.

5 posted on 06/15/2015 11:52:08 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

But let me guess, at the NYT, you would not dare to challenge Karl Marx’s “The Communist Manifesto”.


6 posted on 06/15/2015 11:53:28 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("Keeping your stick down used to be a commandment, but not anymore" Harry Sinden, 1988)
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To: SeekAndFind

Because it was version 1.0. Madison and Jefferson’s was a more recent and better version, but the game - Limit the Government - is really the only game in town.

Funny how the nit-pickers like to bring up slavery as the limitation in the original Constitution.

Like future generations aren’t going to criticize us for squinting at the 14th Amendment and seeing some inalienable right to murder your own child in the womb, or for a man to marry another man.

They are going to look at is and say, “Wow, things certainly went downhill from 1789 to 2015. No wonder the US eventually fell apart.”


7 posted on 06/15/2015 11:53:53 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: SeekAndFind

What a ignoramus! Our laws and our advancement as a western democratized society have derived from the Magna Carta.


8 posted on 06/15/2015 11:54:47 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: jsanders2001

Nah, I’d vote for it be decreed they are guilty of sedition and punished accordingly.


9 posted on 06/15/2015 11:55:19 AM PDT by VRWCarea51 (The original 1998 version)
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To: KC_Conspirator

Why is the NYT still in existence?


10 posted on 06/15/2015 11:57:48 AM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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I can’t not agree with that...lol


11 posted on 06/15/2015 11:58:18 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: SeekAndFind
Just a guess mind you, but I believe 800 years from now people will still know about the Magna Charta but not about Tom Ginsburg and any thing he said.
12 posted on 06/15/2015 11:58:28 AM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo.)
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To: RinaseaofDs

> They are going to look at is and say, “Wow, things certainly went downhill from 1789 to 2015. No wonder the US eventually fell apart.”

I think you could make that much more accurate by saying “from 2008 to 2015” and saying “really downhill”


13 posted on 06/15/2015 12:01:48 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: RinaseaofDs

I fear that future generations will be taught a warped and incomplete account of our Republic’s demise.

And that the history, contents, and purpose of our Constitution will be heinously misrepresented.


14 posted on 06/15/2015 12:06:08 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.s)
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To: MCF

Exactly, it’s like 100 years from now saying Elvis was not successful because no one will be listening to him and he’s dead.


15 posted on 06/15/2015 12:07:15 PM PDT by gr8eman (Don't waste your energy trying to understand commies. Use it to defeat them!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Of course the Authoritarian Control Freaks HATE the Magana Carta. It is what empowers individuals.

If was up to them, then would bring back in the fraudulent, anti-renascence feudalistic fraud.

I'm sure the New York Times view the Dark Ages as something to admire.

16 posted on 06/15/2015 12:08:40 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: SeekAndFind
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We get it, New York Times. You hate freedom.

Enough already.

17 posted on 06/15/2015 12:09:18 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The new GOP slogan: "Vote for us!!! We're 15% less evil than the Democrats!!!")
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To: SeekAndFind

We really need to beat these leftwing statists down before they have us all skulking outside the walls of their palatial estates, rooting around in their trash for our supper.


18 posted on 06/15/2015 12:09:42 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Mollypitcher1
Why is the NYT still in existence?

Because good men did nothing.

19 posted on 06/15/2015 12:09:55 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The new GOP slogan: "Vote for us!!! We're 15% less evil than the Democrats!!!")
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To: SeekAndFind
Boy oh boy! Doesn't it just blow that the authors of the Magna Carta were never as advanced and enlightened as the publishers of New York Times? What a drag it must be, as a junior philosopher-king, for Li'l Tommy to be tasked with talking down to the rest of us unwashed folk! My heart just bleeds.
20 posted on 06/15/2015 12:11:01 PM PDT by Trentamj
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