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THE FINAL BREAK BETWEEN GOD AND COUNTRY
The Gospel Coalition ^ | 7/3/15 | Thomas Kidd

Posted on 07/03/2015 11:45:23 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

As dismaying as the Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage was, there was something especially painful about seeing the White House lit up that evening with the rainbow colors of the gay pride flag. It almost seemed sacrilegious. But “sacrilegious” is not quite right, because Washington, D.C., has nothing to do with our eternal Jerusalem.

Perhaps the best thing that can come out of the gay marriage decision is for the church to make a final break between our faith and our nation. 

Christian Consensus?

For American Christians, the connection between God and country has been deep and understandable, even if it put us at risk of a corrupt civil religion. Christians have been linking their faith to America since the time of the founding. Protestant ideals were inextricable from the establishment of the North American colonies. Christian principles such as equality by creation, and the flawed nature of all people, undergirded the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

But even in 1776, there was no Christian consensus on the great questions of the founding. Was the Revolution justifiable in light of Romans 13 warning against resisting the established powers? Could Christians support independence, when so much of America’s wealth depended on slave labor? Could Protestant dissenters like the Baptists support Patriot authorities who often persecuted them for their faith? What should African American and Native American believers do, when they had suffered enslavement and discrimination at the hands of many Patriot leaders?

Our nationalistic mixing of faith and state can make it difficult for us to see when the nation has gone wrong. It can also make it hard for us to know what to do when the nation has patently wandered from the truth.

There was never any unified Christian answer to these questions. An uneasy relationship with America is nothing new for Christians. Christian support for the American nation was always contingent, and always secondary to the kingdom of God. Or it was supposed to be.

War breeds intense patriotism. Its sacrifices require transcendent justifications. Even starting in the Revolution, certain pastors and chaplains began to speak of America and its history as if it were close to the center of our faith. On the two-year anniversary of the Revolution’s Battle of Saratoga, Baptist chaplain Hezekiah Smith told troops that the victory was “the grandest conquest ever gained since the creation of the world.” It should remind them of “another conquest, which so far exceeds the one now mentioned as scarcely to admit of comparison,” Christ’s victory over sin and death in his resurrection from the dead. Saratoga afforded “the happy prospect of earthly felicity,” and the resurrection delivered “the most pleasing hope of celestial happiness.” Smith’s striking conflation was an early example of some evangelicals’ tendency to blend American history with the Christian history of redemption.

It’s easy to see in retrospect how inappropriate Smith’s juxtaposition was—he was right, the resurrection and Saratoga should not have admitted any comparison. Yet American Christians have often put the things of America and the things of the kingdom in uncomfortable proximity. (Christians in other nations have done so too.) As proud as we may be of the American tradition, our nationalistic mixing of faith and state can make it difficult for us to see when the nation has gone wrong. It can also make it hard for us to know what to do when the nation has patently wandered from the truth.

Now What?

So here we are, a week after the gay marriage mandate, and the Fourth of July is upon us. What should we do? One appropriate option—one we have always had—would be to politely ignore the Fourth of July in our families, and our Sunday services. Again, what does 1776 have to do with our worship? Around the world, our Christian brothers and sisters from Nigeria to Nepal will not say anything about the Fourth of July. Why should we?

Pastors, if you do say something about the Fourth of July, steer between two extremes. One extreme would be to follow President Obama’s one-time pastor Jeremiah Wright, who famously called on God to damn America for its sins (in Wright’s case, he meant sins of racial injustice). The anger over the gay marriage decision is fresh, and the temptation to denounce is strong. But we remain citizens of our nation, we are still allowed to worship in freedom, and we have duties as Christians to respect our leaders and pray for the country.

The other extreme would return to the old patriotic mode, mixing in nationalistic anthems with our songs of worship to the Lord Jesus. We see more clearly than ever how wrong it is to do that. We Christians have a mission to America, but we will never “take America back” and return to some mythical Christian era. Perhaps there was a time when a higher percentage of Americans were believers, or when Christianity had a deeper cultural influence. But there was never a time when America acted as a fully Christian nation, for nations of this earth cannot do so.

If you choose to acknowledge the Fourth of July, the best thing you can do is simply to pray for our country, which is one nation among all the nations of the earth, and which (like other nations) needs the Lord. Let us pray for an outpouring of the Holy Spirit in the cities in which we live. Let us pray that our political leaders would be given godly wisdom, perhaps in spite of themselves. Let us pray that our pilgrim church will have an undefiled witness of faith to the millions of Americans who so desperately need the Lord.


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hope this sheds some light on this holiday.
1 posted on 07/03/2015 11:45:23 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

I think the way the White House was lit up, will be an event that will be remembered for a very long time.

It may become a reverse holiday of sorts for the vast majority of Americans who will recall when depravity reigned over the nation.

I don’t think the next president could be nearly as bad as this America hater. There is going to be some kind of a rebound effect. It remains to be seen just how strong it is.


2 posted on 07/03/2015 11:48:34 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Gospel Coalition ping to read later


3 posted on 07/03/2015 11:50:26 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: SoFloFreeper
Sorry, but I'm afraid too may "churches" are part of the problem we face.
“WHOM GOD WOULD DESTROY, HE FIRST MAKES MAD”

Looks like He's worked His way down to the “churches” on His list!

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4 posted on 07/03/2015 11:53:25 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

We gotta take down that rebel flag because it’s divisive and some people find it hurtful. S.E.Cupp: “It’s the polite thing to do!”

President Obama: Let’s boldly light up the White House in a rainbow of colors. IN YOUR FACE! We won, you LOST suckas!

Yeah, we’re definitely a more tolerant, diverse, and civil society...


5 posted on 07/03/2015 12:00:41 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
"Perhaps the best thing that can come out of the gay marriage decision is for the church to make a final break between our faith and our nation. "

No 'perhaps' about it. The Constitution cements the break with its continued emphasis on the individual and freedom. We are not a Christian nation any more. The marriage decision went with individual rights whereas a Christian decision would be based on 'group' rights e.g. man and woman. If we want a Christian nation then the Constitution needs to say one man and one woman.

6 posted on 07/03/2015 12:06:32 PM PDT by ex-snook (To conquer use Jesus, not bombs.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

>>Around the world, our Christian brothers and sisters from Nigeria to Nepal will not say anything about the Fourth of July.<<

Neither will our Christian brothers in Europe, whom we helped in two world wars in the 20th century and whom we are still helping by our military presence. Our expectations of our “friends” in the world are waaaay too high. Get over it, America!


7 posted on 07/03/2015 12:16:59 PM PDT by 353FMG (WARNING! Government is NOT your friend.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

This article is as wishy washy as Charlie Brown.


8 posted on 07/03/2015 12:28:23 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: SoFloFreeper

No it does not.
Baal worship prospered numerous times in Israel. Did the Judges and Prophets of the time throw in the towel and just pray for the ‘First Coming’ ?
NO, they fought. Called for repentance and demanded a return to G-d.
Even after the country had a king.


9 posted on 07/03/2015 12:31:53 PM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: 353FMG

Pastors often refuse heterosexual weddings if they feel the union is un-Biblical (like believer and non-believer). So there is no discrimination if any non-Biblical union is refused. The are refused equally are they not?


10 posted on 07/03/2015 12:33:52 PM PDT by FiddlePig
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To: SoFloFreeper
This is a very good article.

Conservatives have been trying to defend traditional morality by invoking the Founding Fathers instead of G-d A-mighty. Traditional morality doesn't come from the former . . . it comes from the latter.

11 posted on 07/03/2015 12:35:32 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: SoFloFreeper; cva66snipe
you know, I've had a couple of brews, and my eyes don't work so well as they did in my younger days, but i gotta tell ya...

this article is full of shit.

you wanna go quietly into the night, ceding the battlefield to those who would destroy us?

Sam Adams had something to say about that... something about chains resting lightly. I was going to google up a link for you, but why on earth would I do so?

You're weak. And you've given up already: "... we are still allowed to worship in freedom..."

allowed? allowed!!!???

please tell me you don't live in Connecticut; we've got our hands full enough in this blue state w/out having to deal with passives like you.

Jacksonian Grouch

for CVA66Snipe: USSAlbany CG-10 '77-80, COM6thFLT sending out a Quebec-Golf-Victor to a fellow Vet...

12 posted on 07/03/2015 2:11:15 PM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: caww

Just to let you know the American consulate in Toronto had a large rainbow flag draped over its front today as I drove by it. It’s not just the White House.


14 posted on 07/03/2015 2:26:28 PM PDT by xp38
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To: SoFloFreeper

.......”God is the one who gave the rainbow, it was associated with His Judgment,”..... “God sent a flood to wipe out the entire world because mankind had become so wicked and violent.”....”Franklin Graham

When they show those colors we should remind them of God’s judgment to come...and ask them if they are ready to come face to face with God’s judgment.


15 posted on 07/03/2015 2:27:51 PM PDT by caww
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To: SoFloFreeper

Ping, read later


16 posted on 07/03/2015 2:32:05 PM PDT by AmericanMermaid
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To: SoFloFreeper

For those identifying themselves as Christians, AN appropriate response would be to every single one of them go vote in every election or primary for the next two cycles and throw the lying scum out of office and put honest people they can identify into office. The filthy degenerate occupying the White House and all his cadre of filth should be voted out of office immediately. If we the people do not do this, we will find only the bullet box left as recourse for these devils mean to end the Republic and serve the globalist evil rising around the world. If trumpeting degeneracy as the American way is not signal enough, there can be no revival for the laodicean people.


17 posted on 07/03/2015 2:36:08 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: cva66snipe
This article is as wishy washy as Charlie Brown.

Since I have no clue what he was really trying to say I must agree with you.

18 posted on 07/03/2015 2:42:12 PM PDT by itsahoot (55 years a republican-Now Independent. Will write in Sarah Palin, no matter who runs. RIH-GOP)
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To: xp38

Thank you for sharing that....even so, Our ‘White’ House is OUR ‘White’ House.....not some Gay Rainbow Plastered across it.

Let’s see...will they do red, white and blue for the Fourth????


19 posted on 07/03/2015 6:13:52 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Shirley your joking ... Val-Jar detests the colors of America.


20 posted on 07/03/2015 6:29:24 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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