Posted on 07/07/2015 8:28:42 AM PDT by Reddy
Yes, it’s surprising that on this thread on a conservative website so many are ready to bend over and submit...
When has that been traditional marriage in America?
Even Thomas Jefferson dabbled in divorce law.
To those who object to returning marriage to the private sphere: if you concerns are so valid, why have you been so silent as the rate of illegitimacy among black children now is in excess of 70%? Where were you when communes allowed people to produce feral children?
We don’t worry a bit today that black babies who are born to a single mother will lack for rights of inheritance or medical direction.
The complaints just prove to me that too many social conservatives love big government. I pray that they begin to see that big government is now hostile to the very values they seek to preserve. In fact they want to use government just like liberals do— to impose values on citizens. Let conservatives eschew using government as a proxy for religion.
I think the point is that by taking marriage away from government, you will not have to fight it out to protect marriage in the first place. In order to protect it by fighting it out in the arena of politics, you will need to win every election, you cannot afford to lose one. One Democrat President, One Democrat Congress, you lose. Why give your enemies the stick to beat you over the head with. I would prefer to take that stick out of their hands.
Leave marriage to the Mosques, and the Episcopalians, and the Mormons, and the Hindus, and the church of Satan, and whatever else is called a church?
What good does that do? People can do that today, and they could 50 years ago, and in 1800, but the state still has to define legal marriage for itself, and that is the definition that will dominate the culture of our nation.
This is a battle that we have to win in public, in politics.
Since the contract would be under the same legal restrictions as any other NO MINOR could be legally part of a contract anyway.
Huh?
Even if we win in public, in politics, it will only be temporary. As I stated above, you will have to win them all.
See post 25, and the government cannot, and will not be ‘out of marriage’.
Marriage will always either be legal, or not legal.
Nobody forces you to seek legal status for your marriage, and they never did in America. Marriage without legal status has always been available for anyone, and still is.
my post was in response to the following .
“Marriage laws that currently regulate the age at which a person can be married protect children from sex-slavery and even from desperate parents from certain impoverished..”
Children could no more enter into a contract than a marriage due to the same stipulation of begin a minor.
I see your point, and I will contemplate how to incorporate what your saying into my own scenarios.
Why post it to me, and to post 22?
“taking marriage away from government”
I thought the controversy is over whether the Federal Government should make marriage laws, or whether marriage laws should be handled entirely by the individual states.
Something else that you might consider, should be obvious.
If we can’t win this political battle of stopping marriage between two men, then how in the world do GOP candidates suddenly start winning campaigns based on passing all of these complicated laws and changing marriage entirely from something that humans recognize, into this chaos and collection of fantasies and contractual theories and total religious diversity, and all the other complexity that everyone is proposing?
How do you think people’s eyes will glaze over when all the complications regarding their divorces and child custody, and “civil” marriage law, and “religious” marriage law, and inter-religion marriages, and religious conversions, after marriage, and family court laws, and an endless version of contractual law, etc, etc, and the politicians arguing this in campaigns?
People are not interested in this chaos and the mind blowing suggestions that in the end, are unworkable anyway.
What your saying is, we’re screwed on this.
“To those who object to returning marriage to the private sphere: if you concerns are so valid, why have you been so silent as the rate of illegitimacy among black children now is in excess of 70%? Where were you when communes allowed people to produce feral children?”
Huh? No conservative I know has been silent on these topics; we have been objecting to these every day.
I don’t believe it is the responsibility of the government to care for the poor and disabled, it is the job of the Church.
Marriage is a church sacrament. The government should never have become involved. Follow the money.
Pretty much, unless we can find political leadership that can unravel this.
This didn’t happen accidentally, and we can’t pretend that the left just wins everything because they are so brilliant.
Satan may run the democrat party, but he is also the biggest influence in the GOP.
We have really seen that since 2008, when the Reaganesque Palin was desperately savaged by the GOP, and the pro-abortion/gay marriage/gay military/gay Scout leaders Governor of Massachusetts, Mormon Bishop Romney, was desperately guided into becoming it’s 2012 nominee by the same part of the GOP.
We need to find a way to connect Christianity with conservative voting. The Evangelicals get it, including minority Evangelicals (largely), but that’s it.
This is a religious war, but we need to start fighting it in the streets with revivals and Evangelizing, and within the GOP, and within the democrat party, and within every system and institution in America.
Nonsense.
Of course, but that's a battle we have a chance of winning. The libs can go to churches that do same-sex marriages already. BTW, the article's author is basically wrong. The Supreme Court reapplied civil marriage, they don't have jurisdiction over marriage.
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