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7 Reasons Why "Getting Government Out of the Marriage Business" Won't Work
Florida Family Policy Council ^ | 07/05/2015 | John Stenberger

Posted on 07/07/2015 8:28:42 AM PDT by Reddy

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1 posted on 07/07/2015 8:28:42 AM PDT by Reddy
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Good article describing the replacement of traditional marriage with civil contracts.

Let the homosexuals have civil contracts. We stand for traditional marriage as between one man and one woman.


2 posted on 07/07/2015 8:30:14 AM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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(4) It ignores what’s best for children.

Like the government knows what is best for children.

3 posted on 07/07/2015 8:30:24 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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It’s a scam by the dim-witted libertarians. They give us gay marriage THEN they tell us that “government should get out of the marriage business”, which it never will.

It was a big bait-and-switch by the pothead wing of the Republican party.


4 posted on 07/07/2015 8:31:33 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Reddy

Only one reason is necessary to state -

IT’S NOT ABOUT “GAY MARRIAGE”!

It’s about criminalizing Christianity, and they’ll find another “issue” if this one doesn’t work.


5 posted on 07/07/2015 8:32:07 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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Simplify. There is a public interest in recording legal contracts. Define a type of legal contract that includes certain elements that we now accord only to marriage. County clerk records the contract without having to morally sign up for same sex unions. Children cannot sign legal documents. Then, go to a church if you want a religious ceremony. Done.


6 posted on 07/07/2015 8:34:00 AM PDT by Pecos (What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.)
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No offense to John, but the new status quo already does all the harm he mentions. We have to act to distinguish between the government’s role in contract law and the religious role of marriage. Leave marriage to the church and let the government deal with tax breaks, hospital visits and other contractual roles. The idea that we undo what’s been done by separating marriage and civil unions is frankly 5 years too late. The court has spoken so we mush re-write the rules and take it back to the court to settle the next round. Removing the religious ceremony of marriage from government is the only remaining option. It’s up to states to remake their laws and remove marriage from government lexicon all together.


7 posted on 07/07/2015 8:36:26 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Reddy; 185JHP; 230FMJ; AKA Elena; APatientMan; Albion Wilde; Aleighanne; Alexander Rubin; ...
Required reading here for all the silly libertarians who want to surrender on the most basic of conservative values....

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8 posted on 07/07/2015 8:37:52 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (With Great Freedom comes Great Responsibility)
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To: Fido969

Exactly.


9 posted on 07/07/2015 8:40:23 AM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: MrB

Those calling for civil marriage contracts claim that after obtaining a civil marriage, those who desire to do so can get married in a Church.

But wouldn’t that mean you would then have two different types of “marriages”?

The libs will scream that this is unfair and discriminatory, and force Churches to perform same-sex ceremonies.


10 posted on 07/07/2015 8:42:28 AM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: ilgipper

“The idea that we undo what’s been done by separating marriage and civil unions is frankly 5 years too late. The court has spoken so we mush re-write the rules”

What if this were the mindset following the Dred Scott decision? Or Prohibition?


11 posted on 07/07/2015 8:45:55 AM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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force Churches to perform same-sex ceremonies


They’ll either force apostasy or shut the church down and jail the pastor and parishioners.


12 posted on 07/07/2015 8:47:07 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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Saw this one coming, which is the point of the article:

It would overburden courts and side-step legal protections for children and abandoned spouses, replacing them with court ordered damages, penalties and state-coerced action.

Nope. The courts would be freed by contract, though it is possible Obama coukd decree “If you like your pre-nup, you can....”


13 posted on 07/07/2015 8:48:04 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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We stand for traditional marriage as between one man and one woman

Oh, please!

"Traditional" marriage has the following elements

1) It is permanent. Divorce is not permitted, and if it is, remarriage is not recognized.

2) It is sexually exclusive. Adultery is a crime. Alienation of affection is a tort where it is not also a crime.

3) In the case of separation or abandonment, children belong to their father. Unmarried women who become pregnant may not retain custody of the child, if born alive, UNLESS they have the means not to become a public charge.

THAT is traditional marriage, and the number of people who support it couldn't fill Giants Stadium for a rally.

14 posted on 07/07/2015 8:48:43 AM PDT by Jim Noble (If you can't discriminate, you are not free)
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To: Reddy

This article is an attempt at slamming the barn door shut after the horse has run out.

Heterosexual marriage in the US is dying. In a generation it’ll be a relative rarity. Word has gotten around and few men will consent to it.


15 posted on 07/07/2015 8:52:39 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat ( The ballot is a suggestion box for slaves and fools.)
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"Replacing marriage with civil contracts" is a false meme designed to make folks opt to allow the government to continue destroying marriage. Recognizing religious marriage ceremonies as legal marriage and allowing "non-traditional couples" to enter into legal contracts if they so desire might be the better path - just don't call such contracts "marriage" unless it is between one man and one woman.

It would weed out the homosexual activists/charlatans from those who actually believe the crap they serve (pun works) by illustrating how many of them really want to be legally tied/bound to such contracts.

16 posted on 07/07/2015 8:53:52 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: ilgipper
What the writer states is true, but irrelevant. What he says in regards of government's role in marriage is all fine and dandy, but what he forgets or does not contemplate is that leaving marriage in the hands of government is the equivalent of leaving it in the hands of politics. What that means is that for what the author proposes must be constantly defended every election day. He must win every election, he cannot afford to lose one. The scenario of winning every election for as far as the eye can see is total fantasy. History tells us that all triumphs and defeats are temporary things. Everything that government controls is subject to the verdict of the first Monday in November, thus to protect traditional marriage you must run the table in today's political reality. Take it away from government, and then the people decide for themselves what is their own definition of marriage, without worrying about the tyranny of majorities.
17 posted on 07/07/2015 8:58:29 AM PDT by gusty
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Thank you.

I’m holding the line. (Too bad there are so few of us)


18 posted on 07/07/2015 9:12:21 AM PDT by Marie
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“Recognizing religious marriage ceremonies as legal marriage and allowing “non-traditional couples” to enter into legal contracts if they so desire might be the better path”

I think that was the case until last week...


19 posted on 07/07/2015 9:17:36 AM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Fido969
It’s a scam by the dim-witted libertarians. They give us gay marriage THEN they tell us that “government should get out of the marriage business”, which it never will. It was a big bait-and-switch by the pothead wing of the Republican party.

It's even worse than that, the anti-God libertarians have started using a holier than thou tone, to convince Christians that the true moral position is to quit fighting for conservative politics, and to drop out of politics, and leave that part of life to everyone else.

20 posted on 07/07/2015 9:17:59 AM PDT by ansel12 (libertarians have always been for gay marriage and polygamy, gay Scout leaders, gay military.)
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