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Meltdown: Latest NBC/Marist has Hillary losing to… well, pretty much everyone
Hotair ^ | 09/06/2015 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 09/06/2015 12:23:25 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Part of the news coming out of the latest NBC/Marist poll isn’t going to come as much of a surprise. In a robust survey taken between August 26 and September 2 with nearly 1,000 participants in Iowa and New Hampshire, the headlines for Hillary Clinton are just great… if she’s actually thinking about just retiring to spend more time with her new granddaughter. Bernie Sanders is beating her up pretty badly in New Hampshire no matter who you include in the list of contenders. (NBC News)

In New Hampshire, the Vermont senator gets the support of 41 percent of Democratic voters, Clinton gets 32 percent and Vice President Joe Biden gets 16 percent. No other Democratic candidate receives more than 1 percent…

Without Biden in the race, Sanders’ lead over Clinton in the current survey increases to 11 points, 49 percent to 38 percent.

The trend continues in Iowa, where Hillary is hanging on to her previous lead, but it’s slipping further away every week.

In Iowa, Clinton maintains her previous advantage over Sanders – but her lead has declined from 24 points in July (49 percent to 25 percent) to 11 points (38 percent to 27 percent); Biden sits at 20 percent.

The full results for New Hampshire are here and the Iowa results are here. The curious thing here is the Biden effect. I think there was an assumption that he would draw from the “establishment Democrats” pool of voters rather than the Elizabeth Warren wing, but Bernie seems to be haunting Hillary strongly whether Uncle Joe is in the race or out.

In other words, the Democrat primary doesn’t seem to be doing anything unexpected. But the numbers for potential general election match-ups are where it gets interesting. Remember when I told you about that SurveyUSA poll and said that we would need to see some other, big, deep surveys showing Trump beating Hillary before we got too excited? Well, this isn’t a national survey, obviously, but given the differences between Iowa and New Hampshire they offer a fairly good spread. And guess what? The Hillary vs Donald general election battle still isn’t looking very good for the former First Lady.

[T]he NBC/Marist polls find that Jeb Bush and Donald Trump both beat Clinton in Iowa:

Bush 50 percent, Clinton 39 percent
Trump 48 percent, Clinton 43 percent.

But Biden performs better:

Bush 46 percent, Biden 44 percent
Biden 49 percent, Trump 45 percent

In New Hampshire, the general-election numbers are:

Bush 48 percent, Clinton 43 percent
Clinton 46 percent, Trump 45 percent
Bush 46 percent, Biden 45 percent
Biden 50 percent, Trump 41 percent.

So just as a reminder, this isn’t national. It’s just two states, but ones which can be fairly indicative since they represent two significantly different slices of the general electorate. Trump can win Iowa against Hillary and is in a statistical tie in New Hampshire. This adds a lot of credence to the SurveyUSA numbers, albeit zoomed down to a pair of microcosms. But even more curious is the fact that Bush seems to be doing even better in both states. That wouldn’t hold up in a lot of the South where Trump seems to be cleaning up, of course, but there’s apparently still some juice in the Bush battery. Biden is also surprisingly strong, but personally I think it’s becoming less and less likely that he’s going to jump in.

Bottom line: the Summer of Trump looks to be heading into the Autumn of Trump. And barring something changing radically we’re going to be looking at your Winter of Trump Discontent as well. Give us a couple more polls like this after the next debate and it’s going to be closing in on the time when everyone needs to accept that Trump not only could be the GOP nominee, but that he’s probably the odds on favorite.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arkansas; US: New Hampshire; US: New York; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: 2016; 2016election; arkansas; berniesanders; clinton; delaware; election2016; florida; hillary; hillaryclinton; hitlery; jebbush; joebiden; nbcmaristpoll; newhampshire; newyork; trump; vermont
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1 posted on 09/06/2015 12:23:25 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

OMG I wouldn’t want be Hillary campaign manager here tell her the bad news


2 posted on 09/06/2015 12:24:09 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: SeekAndFind

Must be the year for outsiders and idiots. Biden being the idiot.


3 posted on 09/06/2015 12:25:49 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: SeekAndFind

But it is Hillary’s turn, dammit!


4 posted on 09/06/2015 12:26:49 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s gonna be...

Trump/Cruz -—vs-— BS/Fauxahontas

ACORN voting fraud will be in extra-high gear to keep leftwing communists in the “Red House”


5 posted on 09/06/2015 12:26:58 PM PDT by newfreep ("Evil succeeds when good men do nothting" - Edmund Burke)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s rather telling of how messed up we are when a large percentage of the population still want a treasonous old hag in a crusty pantsuit for president.


6 posted on 09/06/2015 12:27:08 PM PDT by Bullish (Face it, insanity is just not presidential.)
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To: SevenofNine

Table lamps must be removed from the area when Hillary is told.


7 posted on 09/06/2015 12:30:47 PM PDT by Sasparilla (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Bullish

FDR still casts a long shadow.


8 posted on 09/06/2015 12:31:39 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: SeekAndFind
Quick, Hillary, give read another speech about Trump's war on womyn!
9 posted on 09/06/2015 12:39:47 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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To: SeekAndFind

Who the heck are they polling for Hillary to be getting anywhere near 50%? I don’t trust these polls.


10 posted on 09/06/2015 12:46:48 PM PDT by Vic S
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t worry folks, if the GOPe gets it’s way, our candidate in 2016 will fill in nicely for Hillary.

- - - - -

Instead...

Lets go with...

Trump/Cruz 2016


11 posted on 09/06/2015 12:47:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: Sasparilla

Keep this up and she’ll graduate to ash trays.


12 posted on 09/06/2015 12:47:58 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: newfreep; All
ACORN voting fraud will be in extra-high gear to keep leftwing communists in the “Red House”

He's got that covered.

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13 posted on 09/06/2015 12:50:18 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Talk to me in April.


14 posted on 09/06/2015 12:50:51 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Vic S
Who the heck are they polling for Hillary to be getting anywhere near 50%?

The newsroom.

15 posted on 09/06/2015 12:50:55 PM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: Sasparilla
Table lamps must be removed from the area when Hillary is told.

 photo Hillary13.gif

16 posted on 09/06/2015 12:51:56 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Sasparilla
Table lamps must be removed from the area when Hillary is told.

 photo Hillary13.gif

17 posted on 09/06/2015 12:52:09 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Nah nah nah nah
Nah nah nah nah
Hey hey
Good-bye...


18 posted on 09/06/2015 12:52:29 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED.)
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To: Sasparilla

Oh yeah table lamps forgot about that LOL!


19 posted on 09/06/2015 12:52:31 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: SevenofNine

“I wouldn’t want be Hillary campaign manager here tell her the bad news”

Yeah, it would be wonderful to be a fly on the wall so we could hear the “real Hillary.”

http://selwynduke.typepad.com/selwyndukecom/hillary-clintons-vulgar-m.html

In her private element, she’s a real witch evidently.


20 posted on 09/06/2015 12:53:53 PM PDT by vette6387
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