Posted on 09/26/2015 9:48:02 AM PDT by rktman
Another prime example of gun control at its finest is the story of these two unarmed officers being gunned down by… a thug with a gun. Wait, didn’t gun control stop it? Of course not, and here is the story submitted by a reader. These two officers responded to a robbery in progress when they were ambushed by an armed man that had a warrant out for his role in a shooting and grenade attack. The two unarmed officers responded to the call to the Hattersley Estate in Mottram.
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One case: Tony Martin.
All depends on judge, although as the link below shows, there are existing guidelines to follow.
I own a shotgun and rifle. A .270 Ruger bolt action and a Winchester 12 gauge SXP. Ammo is decent price, basically equ. to what youd pay in the US I think.
I got my licence, after spending time as part of a gun club, who sponsored me in my application for a licence. Personally I have been an owner since 1988 aged 18, having joined a local club at 14.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom
The US: 10.4 per 100,000
Venezuela: 50.90
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Not even close mate.
We have about 800 murders a year all in. Gun murders in the UK are a small fraction of that, probably less than 100.
Even X5, its nowhere near close. You have about 15000 gun murders a year. X5 ours would still be in the hundreds!. I really don’t know here your figures are coming from.
http://www.citizensreportuk.org/reports/murders-fatal-violence-uk.html
US 10.4
UK 0.26
Your gun death rate is exactly FORTY TIMES ours!.
Again, I really really don’t know what figures you have been reading.
You are describing New Jersey.
Doesn’t count suicides by gun. But since the UK is so restrictive on guns, why are there gun deaths at all? I have a friend in Oz who had to fill out a twenty page questionnaire on why she wanted to keep her .22 rifle. The UK, Oz, and NZ are all together in restrictive gun laws. Even in Japan (I know, I’m deviating a bit here) which has the most restrictive gun laws in the world has gun deaths. Bottom line is: no matter how many laws banning guns there are there is no way humanly possible to get rid of all of them.
And our population of 320 million is how many more people? The UK can fit in to our states of Washington, Oregon and a bit of Idaho. If you want to extrapolate 60 million Brits to 300 million Yanks, your percentage goes through the stratosphere.
We agree on gun laws.
But you are just wrong on UK vs US gun deaths/murders. America in every category is just miles ahead. Sorry, but it just is.
I didn’t count suicides and accidents, just murders, and that’s consistently 14-15000 a year. THEN another several thousand in suicides and accidents. Usually the same number again.
America has regularly had 30000 approx. death by guns totalled. The UK will be lucky if it has A HUNDRED all in by murder and accident/suicide!.
Sorry when it comes to guns and death, there is simply no comparison.
Well said as your unarmed police are gunned down.
No, it dosent, what drugs are you on!.
Our murder numbers X5 would be approx. 3000-4000. To the US’s 14-15000. At worst, approx. a fifth to a quarter of the US.
Our gun murders X5 would be 350-500!.
Our gun murder % would be 0.26 x5= 1.3, so 1.3 to America’s 10.4, that’s one eighth of your rate!.
Far less than yours, see your guns are keepin em safe.
Rather have my guns to keep me safe than a cellphone in the UK to call a cop without a gun.
The fact is our guns keep us safer than the no guns in the UK policy does. Why is there even one gun death there if it’s so safe with their gun laws?
Um, no insults intended by me. Could be the writer took some editorial privilege with his verbiage and kinda ticked you a little. “the scotsman” let me know that the story was a year old. He has, ahem, corrected me a couple of times but not in a nasty way. I lived in the UK back in the early 60’s as a teenager and returned in ‘68 as a US sailor then visited again in ‘95. What a change during that 30+ years.
Why are there still drink driving deaths if drinking and driving is illegal? Sure, it still happens, but it is alot less than it might otherwise be.
FWIW I believe gun laws in the UK are too strict, but whilst I would like to see some of our ridiculous gun laws loosened up (for example, .22 single shot pistols are banned but 6-shot black powder revolvers are not), but in the US any socially maladjusted lunatic can buy a gun without any real safety checks. As I said, when a cop or a civilian is shot dead in the UK, it is front page news in all the national dailies and the story carries on for weeks afterwards. In the US it is so commonplace that nobody cares unless there is something unusual about it like when that reporter and her cameraman were murdered live on air.
And I am friends with many cops. I don’t know a single one who wants a routinely armed police force, and that includes one I know who is a highly trained and experienced armed response officer, who all think that guns should only be wielded by LEOs with his level of mental and physical training and have been screened to ensure they will use them with the requisite skill and judgement. I’m not for banning civilians owning guns, but if you have to have training, screening and pass a test to drive a car, you should certainly need one to own a gun. They are dangerous pieces of equipment in the wrong hands and I don’t think it is unreasonable to insist that people who own them are sane, law-abiding and know how to use them safely and responsibly.
One other thing. If there’s a home invasion (UK) and the home owner defends the family and the invader is somehow injured the home owner is held responsible. And before you go off on me, I read these stories in the Daily Mail and The Sun and other UK papers. Same thing happens in Oz. In one case when the home owner was charged in stabbing the invader the court couldn’t decide who had the knife. Bizarre.
If you are referring to the Tony Martin case, he was convicted of murder (later downgraded to manslaughter) because he shot the perks as they were running away. In the UK, you are only allowed to injure or kill someone if you have a reasonable belief they pose a threat to your or someone else’s’ life. Even though he probably did humanity a favour, shooting at two retreating figures doesn’t meet this standard. There have been plenty of other cases were people have seriously injured or killed assailants and not been charged with anything.
In the UK, if a burglar gets injured or killed, the police ‘arrest’ everyone, take them down to the station, get statements, then release the homeowner without charge. Odd way I agree, but its a myth that UK people cant defend themselves or home. A burglar was stabbed to death in Manchester a couple of years ago and that’s legal in the UK if taking a life is necessary.
No guns?. Oh ffs.
There are 4.1m legal guns in the UK. Actually higher than I have been quoting on FR usually, but I decided to check my info.
Actually it was 2012. Funny how time flies.
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