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Re: The Trump/Bush 9/11 keeping America safe debate

Posted on 10/18/2015 12:23:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Regardless of who may be right or wrong on the current Trump/Bush keeping America safe debate, the bottom line is whose policies would you rather have in place going forward and which will keep America safer? Trump's deport and secure the border policy or Bush's amnesty and open borders?


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 911; aliens; amnesty; borders; bush; deport; illegals; immigration; nationalsecurity; secureborders; terrorists; trump
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To: Pikachu_Dad

You are “Fired”!!!


221 posted on 10/18/2015 8:37:04 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: montag813; Jim Robinson

Get rid of Saddam Hussein was a huge mistake, even his father kept him after Desert Storm.

Hussein knew how to keep Iran in check!!!

Any further questions???


222 posted on 10/18/2015 8:41:13 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Is Barry, Barrack, Hussein, Obama, Soetoro eligible to occupy the W.H. ???


223 posted on 10/18/2015 8:45:24 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: danamco

“Trump: You have to give them a path. You have 20 million, 30 million, nobody knows what it is. It used to be 11 million. Now, today I hear it’s 11, but I don’t think it’s 11. I actually heard you probably have 30 million. You have to give them a path, and you have to make it possible for them to succeed. You have to do that.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421045/donald-trump-fraud


224 posted on 10/18/2015 8:49:55 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap")
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To: dynoman

In 1999 he said, “I’m totally pro-choice. I hate it and I hate saying it. And I’m almost ashamed to say that I’m pro-choice but I am pro-choice because I think we have no choice.” - Trump

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421045/donald-trump-fraud


225 posted on 10/18/2015 8:53:57 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap")
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To: dead; Jim Robinson

Trump is at least a NBC with a clean Birth Certificate, hello!!!


226 posted on 10/18/2015 8:57:09 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: danamco

Enjoy your socialized health care

“Trump was also asked about Clinton’s 2007 health care proposal, at the center of which was an “individual mandate” similar to the one President Obama would later include in his plan.

“I think it was very good. I think she came out with an idea. It’s a very, very complex set of things going on right now in terms of healthcare. But she came out with an idea, it sounds like a pretty good idea, and a lot of people like it and embraced it. And she learned a lot from her previous encounter,” Trump said.”


227 posted on 10/18/2015 8:57:24 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap")
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To: cripplecreek; Jim Robinson

Then let us KNOW your candidate so we can talk???


228 posted on 10/18/2015 8:59:59 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: CatherineofAragon; Jim Robinson

You trust Boehner, McConnell, Kevin McCarty???


229 posted on 10/18/2015 9:04:47 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: GOPe Means Bend Over Spell Run

No, they didn’t get what they bargained for. They got what they could. They gave him money. What they bargained for was in exchange for their money, they would get back regular payments of principal and interest. THAT’S what they bargained for. They didn’t bargain for equity interest in casinoes. They counted on the legal protections provided by the law in case trump had lied about paying them back, and broke his promise.

But when they invested, they didn’t envision becoming shareholders with him. THEY MOST CERTAINLY DIDN’T BARGAIN FOR THAT.

I’m an investor. I know lots of other investors. Folks invest for a variety of reasons. But often investors invest in debt instruments because they want to reduce their risk of losing their money and they want regular income and return of principal on a scheduled basis. Equity investment doesn’t provide that. THUS UNLESS THE INVESTOR IS BUYING A CONVERTIBLE NOTE OR DEBENTURE, THEY WEREN’T BARGAINING FOR EQUITY.

And these weren’t debentures or convertible notes. Know how I know? Because if they were, they’d have just converted them, and they WOULDN’T HAVE GONE TO BANKRUPTCY COURT.

Now, when the liar scum trump was selling these bonds and notes, he probably addressed the issue of bankruptcy. He probably eased the bond and note holders concern by saying a few things:

1. I’m Donald trump, and your investment’s safe with me. I’m good at this, in fact, the best. My facilities are the greatest. The US Treasury has a greater chance of defaulting than I do, after all look at the federal deficit, have you seen the national debt?;

2. The gaming industry is on the upswing (which it was when they bought their notes). Your money’s safe because you’re backing the premiere company in a premiere industry in a town committed 100% to our industry.

3. Even if we got to the point of not being able to pay the notes, you could force us to Chapter 7, we’d sell the company to another operator, and you’d be first in line at bankruptcy. And since we’re worth way more than the face value of the notes, you’re likely to get 100% of your money back, even in bankruptcy.

And they bought it all, hook, line and sinker.

THAT’S what they bargained for. I’ve been in these investor meetings enough times to recognize what happened. The operator tells you the three or four or five ways you’re going to make money and can’t possibly lose money.

He doesn’t tell you the dozen or two dozen ways you could lose your money. And they all boil down to one way, really. The company (that is, the CEO) decides to break their word.

In this case, the creditors didn’t force trump into bankruptcy. He beat them to the bankruptcy court first. This didnt happen much 20 years ago, and more, but it’s pretty common now. A company hires bankruptcy attorneys to “consult” but declares, they’re not going to go bankrupt. The attorneys work out a prepackaged bankruptcy plan, spring it on the court (and sometimes some of the creditors), and often are in and out of bankruptcy in six weeks. So because he preemptively filed first, he got to control the recommended reorganization. And he probably presented the equty plan, and they probably balked. They probably said, why not sell to another operator? There’s still plenty of value in the equity, and you could pay us out of the proceeds.

And trump may have replied, I don’t want to do that. I’d lose the property and lose nearly all or all of the value of my equity and I don’t like that.

And then they would have answered, but you’re a shareholder, you’re one of the last in line, you don’t merit keeping any significant value.

And trump said, I’m still in operational control. I’ll drag my feet until the casino loses more value, and then, instead of selling it to another company, I’ll wait till we’re hardly a going concern. Then I’ll do a hard Chapter 7. I’ll sell the roulette wheels, the slot machines, the decks of cards, the dice. How much do you think a used deck of cards will bring. You’ll get pennies on the dollar. The value against which you lent me the money was our business, our profits our cash flow, our going concern. The cards, the slot machines, even the land and the building standing empty, closed to gamblers, is worth a tiny fraction of what you lent me.

So they settled on a debt-for-equity swap. They brought in some business appraisers, they determined a negotiated value, they probably haggled over the percentage, and accepted what they could get.

But they had no choice. The liar trump had them over a barrel. But IT ISN’T WHAT THEY BARGAINED FOR.


230 posted on 10/18/2015 9:06:47 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, now unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: dynoman

You didn’t explain why I should believe anything out of his mouth, yet. When you can, get back to me.


231 posted on 10/18/2015 9:09:37 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, now unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: danamco

Is that you Nancy Pelosi... The Donald says you are the ‘Best’...

“Trump confirmed to POLITICO he wrote the note, but said it was “because I want her to do great, and I want this country to be great, and I [didn’t] want her to fail as Speaker. And I like her.”
“I met her a number of times and I liked her,” he added. “And I really want her and everybody in office to do great. so because of the fact that i met her a number of times and really liked her, and then she became Speaker, I sent her a note. And I wanted her, and I continue to want her and everybody else in office, to do great for the country. ... I get along with everybody. I’m very proud of that. I get along with all of these people. Some I get along with better.”
He wrapped up an interview by saying: “When I send Nancy a letter, I want her to do a great job for the country, not for her party. OK, honey?””

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/primary-problem-trump-praised-pelosi-as-the-best-052651#ixzz3oz4v5zPQ


232 posted on 10/18/2015 9:17:30 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap")
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To: Pirate Ragnar; Jim Robinson

Question: Is Barry, Barrack, Hussein, Obama, Soetoro eligible to occupy the W.H., hello???


233 posted on 10/18/2015 9:18:43 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: cripplecreek
That said, using long held democrat talking points makes Trump sound like he’s in it to help the democrats.

Funny how Democrats use Democrat talking points, isn't it?

234 posted on 10/18/2015 9:21:59 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Donald Trump: Quality Conservatism Since 2015.")
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To: Fantasywriter

To lazy to read Nancy?

“generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 Jul 2, 2000”


235 posted on 10/18/2015 9:24:38 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap")
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To: Fantasywriter; Jim Robinson

NO morals, NO ethics, only rabble rousers!!!


236 posted on 10/18/2015 9:25:22 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Jim Robinson

Trump’s deport and secure the border policy.

A replay of how Eisenhower dealt with illegals.

The refusal to deport is a defacto amnesty.


237 posted on 10/18/2015 9:26:42 PM PDT by Pelham (A refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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To: Pikachu_Dad; Jim Robinson

At 6pm every night on FAUX YOU are being manipulated by rotating panels with people like Jonas Goldberg, George Will and spearheaded by Psychiatrist Charles “Sauer”Krathammer. After finally discovered it on their assassinating “debate”(???) night I banned FAUX. They are totally out of touch with “We the People” and “For the People”....... Pikadu,,,,,,, I would never trust anything Jonas Goldberg writes!!!


238 posted on 10/18/2015 9:39:57 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

YOU just enjoying sticking your head in the sand!!!


239 posted on 10/18/2015 9:41:16 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Are you ABLE to answer a simple question: WHO is your candidate,,,,,, Mrs. Benghazi-Gate???


240 posted on 10/18/2015 9:44:11 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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