Jaime Escalante - Taught at Garfield High in East Los Angeles
Posted on 11/02/2015 11:20:06 AM PST by jazusamo
A recent, widely publicized incident in which a policeman was called to a school classroom to deal with a disruptive student has provoked all sorts of comments on whether the policeman used "excessive force."
What has received far less attention, though it is a far larger question, with more sweeping implications, is the role of disruptive students in schools.
Critics of charter schools have often pointed to those schools' ability to expel uncooperative and disruptive students, far more readily than regular public schools can, as a reason for some charter schools' far better educational outcomes, as shown on many tests.
The message of these critics is that it is "unfair" to compare regular public schools' results with those of charter schools serving the same neighborhoods — and often in the same buildings. This criticism ignores the fact that schools do not exist to provide jobs for teachers or "fairness" to institutions, but to provide education for students.
"Fairness" is for human beings, not for institutions. Institutions that are not serving the needs of people should either be changed or phased out and replaced, when they persistently fail.
Despite the painfully bad educational outcomes in many public schools in ghettos across the country, there are also cases where charter schools in the very same ghettos turn out students whose test scores are not only far higher than those in other ghetto schools, but sometimes are comparable to the test scores in schools in upscale suburban communities, where children come from intact families with highly educated parents.
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“Despite the painfully bad educational outcomes in many public schools in ghettos across the country, there are also cases where charter schools in the very same ghettos turn out students whose test scores are not only far higher than those in other ghetto schools, but sometimes are comparable to the test scores in schools in upscale suburban communities, where children come from intact families with highly educated parents.”
Remember Jaime Escalante in Los Angeles? He took ghetto kids, and taught them enough math to beat the Advanced Placement scores of Beverly Hills high school. The leftists at ETS in Princeton, NJ, AND the unions tried to destroy him. Nothing has changed in 35 years.
We were not allowed to disrupt in class. It just wasn’t allowed. The most disruptive student, regardless that he came from the most prominent wealthy extended family was expelled
When I taught at private school I could not stop my disruptive student son of an administrator it was too inconvenient for everyone to even admit I was right
Quit and pulled my kids out of the place
No they are suffering losses of students, the kid is a dope smoking loser getting propped up at private university and my kids got a hs education elsewhere
Disruptive students are in charge. And they have no interest in the education of others around them who are paying for the disruptive to disrupt
The video though is too brutal. The cop was too brutal
Love this:
“Singled out” usually means treating someone differently from the way others are treated for doing the same things. Are convicted criminals “singled out” when they are sent to jail?
Because the disruptive students (fighting, stealing, raping, stabbing, shooting) are minorities and they are not allowed to say that.
The lack of discipline is intentional. Cultural Marxists knew to destroy Virtue (excellence) in the masses-—is to collapse culture. The socialists took control of universities in the 30s and ALL public schools by the 70s.
Without Classical Educaton (which ONLY PROMOTES VIRTUE) —there IS no education except to condition children into being immoral evil, vile people. (godless).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odwHXKXvjFI
The teachers union in Los Angeles ran him out of town, so he became head of the math dept for Sacramento, Later he became head of the entire Sacramento school system.
“The video though is too brutal. The cop was too brutal”
Here’s another opinion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNxbmyEVlXg
Sowell is dead on the mark with that.
It almost seems as if said behavior is being redefined as cultural.
It was a good one. Let’s start a program to clone T.S., Mark Steyn, and Mark Levin. :)
I’ve been increasingly wondering how to deal with those (at all levels of society) who push the bounds of ill behavior to the edge of legality, knowing that they can’t _quite_ get in trouble for it, and know that for someone to stop them requires going outside the bounds of legality - giving the rest of us the option of “put up or get arrested”. Suggestions/insights welcome.
Agreed! We surely need many more of them. :)
Good question. You see it with our soldiers and police how they are hampered in so many situations. Fort Hood was a perfect example. You see it in the schools. We are being conditioned to just smile and ignore.
ETS did not try to destroy him. In the normal process of identifying cheating on an ETS test, his students attested to his amazing ability to teach math. The unusual number of high test scores at a single testing center was flagged. Please understand what you are talking about before name calling.
We had a guy here in Denver named Bob Cote (now deceased) that started a program called Step 13 for homeless people with abuse problems. He didn’t coddle them. From my understanding, he wasn’t universally loved because his approach wasn’t soft-hearted. It was tough and realistic, but he had success with the people that truly wanted to turn their lives around.
Here’s an article about him if anyone is interested.
http://www.denverpost.com/carroll/ci_24316868/bob-cot-eacute-s-legacy-tough-love-approach
And if this “irregularity” happened at Beverly Hills High ,you are convinced that the same scrutiny would have taken place ?
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