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2 posted on 11/09/2015 9:58:00 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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LOL! I know right? Some people are totally clueless when it comes to the amount of infrastructure that already exists. So, my idea is to cut off any natural gas or fuel oil to those that so oppose these things. Wood stoves? Sorry, epa rules.


4 posted on 11/09/2015 10:02:50 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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“Energy is indeed important and energy is important in creating new jobs. I get that,” said Lewis Freeman, a spokesman for the alliance. “But that does not mean the value of energy to our economy trumps all other values. I think what’s at stake here is a conflict of values.”

This is indeed the crux of the matter. Pipelines and natural gas are a relatively clean and cost effective source of energy. Of course we could cut the flow and wear sweaters (The Jimmy Carter solution) and we could also cut immigration if we want to stop using energy. Does the protest movement extend to this idea?

But the truth is that if we really want to claim the high ground in the energy climate game, we need to move to an all electrical society where electricity is generated by hydraulic and nuclear forces. And even when this is done, we will probably use some fuel in fossil form -- think planes and trucks?

Of course the climate model game should also be validated before this action becomes mandatory. But we could start the process and use natural gas as the bridging energy (and supplement with coal as we learn to scrub the emissions from coal plants. All of this is coming down the road.

In the meantime, it is cold in the winter, and a little natural gas heater is awfully nice on a cold night.

11 posted on 11/09/2015 10:12:28 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (California engineer (ret) and ex-teacher (ret) now part time Professor (what do you know?))
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