Posted on 12/03/2015 5:53:34 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
President Barack Obama’s aides are still working out a politically palatable way to implement a new gun control measure by executive order.
Plans to target private gun sales have been in the works for some time, but the administration is wary of political and potentially legal consequences of implementing the changes via executive order. Officials are analyzing state and local gun control efforts to find what they consider a winning strategy that will prevent mass shootings, reports the Los Angeles Times.
“That work includes looking at the gun show loophole,†a White House official involved in the work tells the LA Times. “But taking administrative action in this space is enormously complicated, with complex and intertwined policy, legal and operational considerations to take into account.â€
“That process is very much underway,†he adds.
The proposed rule change will require anyone who sells more than 50 guns a year to obtain a federal license and conduct background checks on potential buyers. Congress rejected legislation to implement the checks in 2013.
Obama is still considering the idea, but opted against it, apparently for legal and political reasons. Some federal lawyers worry it won’t hold up under a legal challenge and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives officials worry it will be hard to enforce and might affect too many sellers.
So far, we can think it but the thought police are trying to find a way to prosecute even that.
Jan., 2017 can’t come soon enough and we will be rid of this treasonous bastard. I only hope we don’t get the treasonous bitch to replace him.
There are ways of saying things. Like mine, above.
Both of our aboves were yanked, LOL
Odd. It was a long way from crossing the line.
Ah well. The randomness of moderation here — it was ever thus.
He can go to Hades.
That would be degrading Hades.
‘Tis true
I hear that.
Yes, it’s surprising.
I only hope we don’t get the treasonous bitch to replace him.
You’re right. She would have her own Gestapo and Enforcement teams. She’s have no mercy on the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy and all other opponants.
That very definition is likely the thing that Obama’s E.O. would change - and then he will order the BATFE to enforce the new definition.
That change will, of course, be challenged in court - and everyone in the world knows it. That is the ONLY reason why he hasn’t already done this. He and his puppet masters and minions are looking for some way to spin it so that the Supreme Court (and that’s who will ultimately decide this issue) will swallow it. My hope is 2-fold: First, that the E.O. won’t be issued because the tyrants know that it won’t be permitted; or second, that by the time the case winds its way through the courts, President Cruz or President Trump will have rescinded the E.O., rendering the case moot.
Yes, that’s what he’s changing, but to 50. I would have made it 2 or 3 if I wanted to mess with people, which is the intent. It would be difficult for anyone selling more than 50 firearms a year at gun shows to argue he wasn’t a dealer, given the fact that even if he’s not making a profit, he should be remitting sales tax to the various states. I can’t imagine this would apply to anyone, other than perhaps estate sales.
Uh, I don't think that you understand. It is NOT about actually regulating dealers (whether sellers of 2 or 3 or 50 or 5,000 guns per year). It IS about registering guns.
Why? Because it is IMPOSSIBLE to know whether someone sold 2 or 3 or 50 guns in any given year UNLESS the government had knowledge about who owned the particular firearms BEFORE the sale. Hence, registration is necessary to the exercise.
However, Obama and his minions will trumpet this as "closing the gun show loophole" and "preventing terrorists from getting guns" - while quietly registering guns all over the country as quickly as possible, a long-held Leftist goal.
Again, Obama and his minions DON'T CARE ABOUT WHO IS SELLING FIREARMS, OR WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL SUCH PEOPLE. THEY DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT THE VIOLENCE, EXCEPT AS IT HELPS THEM FURTHER THEIR ULTIMATE GOAL OF CONFISCATING FIREARMS SO AS TO COMPLETELY DOMINATE THIS SOCIETY. That is their goal, and this trial balloon of an idea is one way in which they might accomplish it.
That would require legislation, compiling a federal database is illegal. Could a lawless administration do, sure. However in the context of establishing dealer records which could be later catalogued, or illegally maintaining records of instacheck cleared transactions, this action would be trivial. Sales by unlicensed dealers account for less than 2% of firearms used in crimes. I’d speculate they’re a smaller percentage of sales, but even if not, the concern is what’s done with the records of the 98% of transactions. I certainly don’t support his action, but I’m glad he’s a fool and not attempting something more onerous since he’ll be out of office before this is challenged.
In Ohio, no. In California, yes. I don't know about other states.
At gun shows in Ohio I frequently see tables for estate sales and similar arrangements that fall under the heading of "private sales." Liquidating an estate, selling a collection, etc.
That's not true, it's the sale that in question, not the purchase. If a state revenue agent walks around a gun show, observes 6 sales, he may well ask for the sellers sales tax registration number, to assure himself sales tax is being paid. Beyond which the burden will fall on the seller to establish he's not a dealer. Same with an ATF agent observing 6 sales and requesting the sellers dealer number. The trigger is the sale, not the source of the weapon.
Also, that's where the risk of registration exists. Dealers maintain records of purchasers for 5 years if not longer. That's a database in waiting. Collecting it would be illegal, but that doesn't bother this administration. Instantcheck has the potential to register buyers. It's supposed to be destroyed, I don't know what the retention time is now, I think it's in weeks. The Clinton administration just collected it. That's the direction a loose cannon Obama should have gone in. It would have dragged in the courts, and once the database was constructed, I don't believe it would be undone.
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