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Of Course Muslims and Christians Don't Worship the Same God
Townhall.com ^ | December 20, 2015 | Michael Brown

Posted on 12/20/2015 1:08:16 PM PST by Kaslin

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To: Spok

Muslims do not “pray” as a means of relationship with A God....they worship and pray to “Islam” itself.

When we pray we open our inner life to God – it is an intimate and personal communication and is often a petition for God to strengthen us in virtue so we will be better prepared to meet the problems of our lives.

There is ‘nothing personal or intimate’ about Muslim’s bowing.... It is ‘communal’ and a precise formula....... Everyone ‘speaks the same’ dictated words.....’faces the direction... performs ‘the same muscular movements’. .....Just like military drills...... their words have the effect of cementing communal solidarity.

There is no intimacy between man and God in Islamic bowing because there cannot be. It’s regimented just as a military unit would recite....Islamic worship is defined as ‘obedience to Islam’....not to a Godhead.

A militant death cult which venerates an evil man and raises him to the level of the perfect model for human conduct, cannot help but lead men to evil action.................In society Islam functions in ‘the opposite’ manner from all other religions..... Rather than producing peace and social harmony, it sows violence and social disruption. Islam is NOT a religion............


21 posted on 12/20/2015 1:46:15 PM PST by caww
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To: Kaslin
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, all believe in an eternal, uncreated Creator God ...

Between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, which worships the God that Abraham worshipped?

22 posted on 12/20/2015 1:48:02 PM PST by MosesKnows (Love Many, Trust Few, and Always Paddle Your Own Canoe)
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To: Steely Tom

No, you are wrong.

islam is the creation of a degenerate who used the cover of religion to justify and enable his perversions. It is nothing more.


23 posted on 12/20/2015 1:57:32 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Kaslin

Christians worship the true GOD
God only knows wtf the muslims worship...... more LIKELY the DEVIL


24 posted on 12/20/2015 1:58:22 PM PST by zzwhale
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To: Kaslin

Really terrible at prioritizing.
The third point should be the first point, and it is so strong that it will illicit violence from Muslims all by itself.

Nothing else is needed.

Point out that Christ is God wearing flesh and Jihadis become unhinged.


25 posted on 12/20/2015 1:58:25 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Kaslin

Secular humanists seem to be the ones up in arms about this. I haven’t seen a response from Muslims, but I haven’t yet looked either.

But it’s also a matter of God’s own agency. According to secular humanists, different religious beliefs are just the inventions of people evolved from lesser life forms sometime after the Big Bang accidentally created order and life. To secular humanists, there are religions but no God or gods. But by God’s agency, He has revealed Himself to man, and in doing so also warned us not worship idols. Whenever man turns from the knowledge he’s received about God and creates a god more to his liking, he’s then worshiping an idol (Romans 1).


26 posted on 12/20/2015 1:58:52 PM PST by Faith Presses On ("After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations...")
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To: Spok

“There is no Allah but Satan and Mohammed is his Beast.”


27 posted on 12/20/2015 2:35:34 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: SandRat

Beelzebama..


28 posted on 12/20/2015 2:36:55 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: SandRat

Beelzebama..


29 posted on 12/20/2015 2:36:56 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: MosesKnows

Two of the three. Islam’s fundamental problem is that the prophet they follow is a false prophet, and their “holy” book is nothing of the kind. They do share an Abrahamic tradition, but by believing that Mohammad is a prophet of God, ultimately turn away from the Lord. The average Muslim of course doesn’t know this.


30 posted on 12/20/2015 2:53:25 PM PST by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more then you seem.")
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To: Kaslin

31 posted on 12/20/2015 3:19:20 PM PST by QT3.14 (USA is facing assisted-suicide by the Left)
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To: Kaslin
Let's be totally honest with this. Actually, the God of today's Jewish theology is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Jesus/Yehoshua, as cited by the Canon of Scripture contained in the Old and New Testaments, else they would accept Jesus as Messiah, Savior, and Lord, the Only Begotten and Beloved Son of The Father.

Where today's Jewish culture exercises hegemony and dominance, as in the country Israel, it is also unlawful to evangelize for Christ, isn't it?

32 posted on 12/20/2015 3:21:57 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Steely Tom; sheik yerbouty; Kaslin

>> Sura 112 - Allah “begets not ...” Never had a son.

>> Muslims worship a distant, bloodthirsty ... Satan .

>> There is no Allah but Satan and Mohammed is his Beast.


33 posted on 12/20/2015 3:39:58 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: 230FMJ

Who but Satan would have chosen an UNREPENTANT murdering, lying, bloodthirsty pedophile as his prophet? God uses REPENTANT ones all the time.


34 posted on 12/20/2015 3:53:55 PM PST by ShasheMac (www.needGod.com)
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To: Kaslin
"Allah" comes from "al-ilah", which means "The Moon God". That's why you always see a crescent moon as their symbol.

Muslims deny it, but. . .

35 posted on 12/20/2015 4:20:01 PM PST by rdb3 (Cool. All I know is, no, you can't use it.)
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To: I want the USA back

If someone acknowledged Satan, or Baal, to be the one god, you think that’s the same as God?

Just believing that there’s just one of something doesn’t mean the one thing you’re thinking of is the same one thing I’m thinking of.

You have just one wife; your neighbor has just one wife. Does that mean you two are married to the same woman?


36 posted on 12/20/2015 6:48:48 PM PST by piasa
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To: imardmd1
Let's be totally honest with this. Actually, the God of today's Jewish theology is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Jesus/Yehoshua, as cited by the Canon of Scripture contained in the Old and New Testaments, else they would accept Jesus as Messiah, Savior, and Lord, the Only Begotten and Beloved Son of The Father.

I don't agree with that...The Godhead wasn't revealed in the O.T. and God has blinded the eyes and mind of Israel so they can't see the Godhead revealed in the New Testament...

The Godhead IS revealed to the muzlims but they willingly reject the God of the scriptures...

37 posted on 12/20/2015 7:31:26 PM PST by Iscool (Izlam and radical Izlam are different the same way a wolf and a wolf in sheeps clothing are differen)
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To: Iscool
The Godhead wasn't revealed in the O.T. . . .

Oh? I think the O. T. testifies against your supposition:

"Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in
secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there
am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of
Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit,
which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go" (Isa. 48:16-17 AV).

This text clearly dermonstrates the triune Godhear of The Lord God, with His Spirit, and His Redeemer (of Is. 6:14, God With Us, titled 'Son'). Furthermore, the Risen Messiah proves your thesis in error by employing Tanakh to chasten and instruct the Emmaus-bound disciples:

"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to
believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to
enter into his glory?
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded
unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning
himself" (Lk. 24:25-27 AV)

. . . and God has blinded the eyes and mind of Israel so they can't see the Godhead revealed in the New Testament

Has he? The Scripture and commentators suggest otherwise:

"All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man
knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man
the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the
Son will reveal him.
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I
will give you rest" (Mt. 11:27-28 AV).

Sounds to me that it is a personal choice. The invitation is clearly there:

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that
heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And
whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely" (Rev 22:17 AV).

The choice is clinging to Sin and Satan as masters, by which Satan exercises his power:

"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of
them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious
gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine
unto them" (2Cor. 4:2-4 AV).

Is it God who blinds them? Or do they, like Pharaoh, harden their hearts and refuse to believe, God permitting it to continue and increase?

Who do they blame for their blindness?

"He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them" (Jn. 12:40 AV; cf. Is. 6:9).

The commentator Adam Clarke says:

"This verse is taken from Isa. 6:9, and, perhaps, refers more to the judgments that should fall upon them as a nation, which God was determined should not be averted, than it does to their eternal state*. To suppose that the text meant that God was unwilling that they should turn unto him, lest he should be obliged to save them, is an insupportable blasphemy" (Note: my emphasis, * = as individuals).

To wit:

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men
count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not
willing that any should perish, but that all should come
to repentance" (2 Pet. 3:9 AV).

This is the God of the Bible, and the unbelieving children of Abraham (remember Ishmael also), Isaac (remember Esau/Edom), and Jacob never have--and to this day still do not--believe in The God of the Bible, but in another, the anti-god, that draws them away. And there are also those who profess the Name of Christ, but do not really possess it, who suffer likewise.

Without faith, it is impossible to see The God, let alone please Him. Yes, persistent committed irrevocable trust in the Lord Jesus Messiah is the victory over Sin, Satan, and the World of people with their religions, as well as over the opinions of misled and oppositionally catechized "brethren."

38 posted on 12/20/2015 11:39:33 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

How can one argue that???

39 posted on 12/21/2015 3:22:31 PM PST by Iscool (Izlam and radical Izlam are different the same way a wolf and a wolf in sheeps clothing are differen)
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To: Iscool
How can one argue that???

Only that, as a Jewish (Benjamite) writer of inspired Scripture, Saul/Paul was implicitly manifesting that the blinding or slumber was statistical in nature, not applying necessarily to the individual anecdotally.

And this goes back to my original contention, with which you took issue, but shifted the basis of the discussion. What I said was:

. . . the God of today's Jewish theology is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Jesus/Yehoshua, as cited by the Canon of Scripture contained in the Old and New Testaments, else they would accept Jesus as Messiah, Savior, and Lord, the Only Begotten and Beloved Son of The Father.

If "they"--the body of anti-Christian Jewish theologians and their followers--deliberately dismiss Jesus as Son of Father--then if that Jewish majority is blind or asleep, the god they tout claiming to be awake is not the God of the Holy Scriptures, but one of a more recent tradition invented no earlier than the death of the last OT prophet.

That by Jesus' time, their god was not the God of the Bible was clearly exposed by Jesus, as recorded by Beloved John:

" 'Ye do the deeds of your father.' Then said they to him,
'We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.'
Jesus said unto them, 'If God were your Father, ye would
love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither
came I of myself, but he sent me.
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot
hear my word.
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
and abode not in the truth, because there is no
truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his
own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth,
why do ye not believe me?
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not,
because ye are not of God.' " (Jn. 8:41-47)

So, if you believe in /jesus and His Words, the god of today's Jews is the same as the god of the Tsaddukim, the scribes, and the Pharusim of that day, which is the god of yhis world, the Devil; which is also the god of the Muslim in just another bathrobe.

I believe what I said is correct, but it is only repeating the crystal clear statement of the doctrine of the Christ of the Bible. It grieves me to have to say this about the followers of today's Judaism, because I love them; yet I cannot say that the Bible lies or that its truths should be buried as being politically incorrect.

But thanks for the opportunity to clear up your misapprehension.

40 posted on 12/21/2015 10:02:49 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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