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Sheriff Joe Arpaio: Executive Order or Not, ‘I’m Not Surrendering the Guns’
Breitbart ^ | 12/19/15 | Awr Hawkins

Posted on 12/20/2015 1:35:29 PM PST by LibWhacker

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To: LibWhacker

I know there are a few dozen sheriff’s in Colorado that have stated they will not allow the taking of guns in their county.


61 posted on 12/20/2015 7:19:33 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: imardmd1

“I’m more than a little concerned...”

Years ago a cartoon featured an eagle with talons outstretched descending toward a mouse which had the middle “finger” of its right “hand” raised toward it in defiance. Hundreds of thousands of America’s front-line troops, who were dedicated to up close and personal closure with the enemy, offered that same upraised finger to those who opposed them. Some while defending positions or attacking enemy held positions alone regardless of staggering odds against their success. [Search Sgt. John “Manila John” Basilone as one example. A Medal of Honor winner from the Battle for Guadalcanal (running from position to position alone manning machine guns therein against a Japanese onslaught) who was killed due to enemy mortar fire on Iwo Jima.] Others were wounded or killed by enemy fire or accident while engaged in rear-echelon duties. But they were there and the causes they fought for were just and honorable.

England? Australia? Losing a job due to political intrigues resulting in a firing or imprisonment? An officer responding to lawful orders from the Commander in Chief? (He is bound to follow lawful orders or resign his commission.)

“I mean, that is, what if he sics the military on us?” He would necessarily need a Constitutionally grounded reason to do so or that would contravene an officer’s oath to uphold the Constitution. An order that if followed would once again begin a true and justifiable uprising in this nation.

It appears to me you are concerned about death or the manner of dying, or possibly the well-being of loved ones once you are gone as those things relate to tyranny resisted, foreign or domestic. Fear of a bullet between the eyes mentality? A loss of creature comforts maybe? A life lost to a lessor cause? Not concerned regarding a loss of self respect or personal honor standing against the assault of those who would deem you and yours as slaves to their will? You would submit to those who would deny yours and others natural rights? Recoil in fear from their threat to your freedom and very life?

I intend to honor this oath which I swore to: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same. That I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” Until such time as those orders from the President or his officers contradict that which is contained in the document mentioned in the first sentence of the above oath. My minor concerns hold no weight in a debate as to whether I will uphold that oath and believe me when I state there are more of us than they would want or expect to meet on the field.

Semper Fidelis


62 posted on 12/20/2015 9:34:06 PM PST by chulaivn66 (Oh stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, trusting their words.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Browncoat?


63 posted on 12/21/2015 12:20:28 AM PST by BigpapaBo (If it don't kill you it'll make you _________!)
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I appreciate your slant on this, but please don't impute n slavish approach to my observation. I've already faced this in myself and demonstrated that fear for self is not the issue. It is fear that O has gotten the military in his pocket such that they will ignore the same oath that you and I swore. And as far as I know, I have never been "unsworn," just placed on inactive service, having fulfilled my active duty.

And in that, I proved that the Code of Conduct meant so much to me, that it took seven aggressors to get my empty M1 out of my hands when I was ordered to hand it over. It was still useful for a butt-stroke or two, that felled a couple of them. I presume you can say the same for yourself. "I will never surrender while I have the means to resist." Article 2. Even while one is bound. Forcibly restrained, but not ever surrendered. BTW, I still have an M1 and still know how to field-strip, reassemble, and use it. And I'm 79.

But leaving this aside, it's not clear where some political leverage can be made to force these political criminals out of office, never to return. That's what concerns me. I'd rather make them die for their nefarious ideals than have to die for my Constitutional guarantees, if that was possible, given the choice.

Is that clear?

64 posted on 12/21/2015 12:59:09 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: BigpapaBo

Yep. Cap’n Mal.


65 posted on 12/21/2015 7:42:06 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is simply majoritarianism. It is incompatible with real freedom.)
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To: imardmd1

Perfectly clear and we see eye-to-eye at this point. I hope my words were not interpreted to infer an accusation of cowardice. Rather they were submitted to evoke resolution to face the enemies of our nation regardless of the sacrifices which each of us must make. Your statements relating to your service and the manner of the performance of your duty indicate the resolve is there and it appears, although our experiences differ, you and I have reached the same plateau.

As to the issue of concerns regarding our military being directed to follow the orders issued by any President which contradict the oaths they swore to uphold the Constitution? I have no concerns as I have reconciled what I must do when confronted with anyone failing to abide by their oath. I will regret having been forced into that position; but I will remain faithful to my oath and sacrifice as required to do so. I believe we stand shoulder-to-shoulder regarding this matter with shields interlocked. Beyond that we have no control over events and must deal with whatever comes our way. Until I am no longer physically capable of performing those things duty requires I stand ready to fulfill it. You are ten years my senior so with permission I’ll cover your back.

One question. No details. Korea?

Semper Fidelis


66 posted on 12/21/2015 10:51:48 AM PST by chulaivn66 (Oh stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, trusting their words.)
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I believe we stand shoulder-to-shoulder regarding this matter with shields interlocked.

We do.

One question. No details. Korea?

No. Before my time. Vietnam was after. NYARNG 27 Armored Division 174th Armored Infantry Bn
15 Aug 1956 to 31 Oct 1962, Honorable Discharge, AUS
MOS at dischg: Sgt. E-5 MG Squad Leader

The Aggressor incident was in divisional combat training against RA. Some people got hurt, and I nearly wound up in the Post Stockade, but the CO saw that I was determined to hold to the Code. So the outcome of the investigation saw that I got a meritorious commendation from the Bn Cmdr in my 201 jacket instead of a special court martial. To a 20 y/o PFC the appointment to the next NCO School was an encouraging consequence. That's all it was, so don't read too much into it except what my mindset was then and since, when bigger things were at stake.

67 posted on 12/21/2015 3:17:42 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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Mental adjustment is the key. Similar to being out and about in a thunderstorm. Thunder never hurt anyone and lightning moves faster than we and is unpredictable. Once I made the connection there was no concern whatsoever. My attitude and alertness toward recognizing and dealing with a threat has never diminished, only become more acute. I see trouble coming.

See you on the line if it comes to that. Bring your cup. I have the coffee.


68 posted on 12/21/2015 4:59:32 PM PST by chulaivn66 (Oh stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians that we lie here, trusting their words.)
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To: chulaivn66

With grateful appreciation for your time and commitment to the finest service in the world, and to our Founders’ principles. Sir. A salute to you, and to The Hymn, especially the 3rd verse!


69 posted on 12/21/2015 6:37:15 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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