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Ted Cruz huddles with faith leaders at ranch of super PAC donor
Washington Post ^ | December 29, 2015 | Katie Zezima and Tom Hamburger

Posted on 12/29/2015 9:20:38 PM PST by Isara

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To: RginTN; Reno89519
Trump to Iowa crony capitalists...ethanol subsidies- I love IT!!!

Just a gentle correction on the ethanol business:

It is more accurate to call it an ethanol mandate, which is not a direct subsidy. Presently, there are no ethanol subsidies, but there is an increasing ethanol mandate that warpos the market buy making refineries and gas stations produce and sell ethanol blends that people do not want to buy. It winds up havong the same effectas a subsidy, but calling it a mandate keeps you from geting tripped up by ethanol supporters who want to sidetrack the conversation.
61 posted on 12/30/2015 5:38:49 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: brothers4thID

I need to remind everyone that our own Sarah Palin drew huge crowds as McCain’s running mate, and they lost the election.
Perot drew large crowds, also.
The size of the crowds before a primary are nice, but the primaries will tell the tale.
There are a certain segment of the population that went to rallies for all 3 of these people, just to hear if they were going to say something outrageous.
I am a Cruz supporter, but I do like Sarah and I do like Trump, but some people go to hear them just for the theatre.


62 posted on 12/30/2015 5:45:11 AM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: Reno89519

This is a straw mans argument.

Politics has no memory when dealing with positions of power.

You honestly think previous disagreements do not reset once Cruz is elected President?

Additionally, you seem to think Trump is above taking money. If he gets the nomination, he’ll get plenty dirty with “filthy donor money” during the general.

By the way, Cruz’s donors are mostly small grassroots style donations... I guess money from the average joe is bad in your opinion?


63 posted on 12/30/2015 6:27:13 AM PST by plewis1250 (The pecking order: Christian, American, Conservative)
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To: Reno89519

You mean Trump the original crony-capitalist, Clintonista fascist?


64 posted on 12/30/2015 6:39:59 AM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: Reno89519

Right. Only wealthy people are qualified to run for public office. People like Trump and Soros and Al Gore. Because they’re not “beholden” to anyone.

Normal people need not apply.


65 posted on 12/30/2015 6:41:14 AM PST by Theo (Trump = French Revolution. Cruz = American Revolution. Choose wisely.)
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To: Calpublican

Wow! You’re going to take some heat from Trump fanbois for that! :-D


66 posted on 12/30/2015 6:43:42 AM PST by Theo (Trump = French Revolution. Cruz = American Revolution. Choose wisely.)
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To: Reno89519

“They become owned by those few people ...”

You’re a cynical ass.


67 posted on 12/30/2015 6:44:14 AM PST by Theo (Trump = French Revolution. Cruz = American Revolution. Choose wisely.)
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To: FreeReign

Trumptards’ hypocrisy is bewildering.

Money is only good money if it belongs to Trump, the opportunistic showman.


68 posted on 12/30/2015 6:45:37 AM PST by Theo (Trump = French Revolution. Cruz = American Revolution. Choose wisely.)
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To: Theo

And the insult adds to the discussion how?


69 posted on 12/30/2015 7:05:05 AM PST by Reno89519 (American Lives Matter! US Citizen, Veteran, Conservative, Republican. I vote. Trump 2016.)
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To: Reno89519

Not trying to insult. Just trying to provide clarity. Your comment was over-the-top cynical. And to say such a thing makes you come across as an ass.


70 posted on 12/30/2015 7:20:35 AM PST by Theo (Trump = French Revolution. Cruz = American Revolution. Choose wisely.)
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To: Theo

And Cruz still owned by his monied supporters.


71 posted on 12/30/2015 7:30:55 AM PST by Reno89519 (American Lives Matter! US Citizen, Veteran, Conservative, Republican. I vote. Trump 2016.)
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To: Reno89519
I don’t really care about ethanol subsidies. Most voters probably don’t. Again, what did Cruz gain by staking a position against it? Doesn’t help him now, especially not in Iowa, and won’t help him in the general election. If you think otherwise, how so? And at what cost in votes does he trade one group for another?

Plus, they will wheel out Cruz's attempt to destroy planned parenthood which half or more of the Christians and all of the liberals support...He won't be able to overcome that...

72 posted on 12/30/2015 7:31:06 AM PST by Iscool (Izlam and radical Izlam are different the same way a wolf and a wolf in sheeps clothing are differen)
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To: jobim
"Victory comes when a wide swathe of voters joins together"

You mean like this

73 posted on 12/30/2015 7:35:26 AM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied, Otto Von Bismarck)
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To: SoConPubbie

We are all well aware of Cruzs’ “flexibility” on issues that hurt him in the polls. We have seen him change his positions to ones more popular with the voters many times. So many times in fact that some of us wonder just that the heck Cruz really believes.


74 posted on 12/30/2015 7:44:11 AM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied, Otto Von Bismarck)
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To: Reno89519

The donor money that troubles me about Cruz is coming out in a slow and painful way. Below is a NVT article talking about the wealthy and the ways they avoid taxes. Renaissance Technologies has given 10 million, thus far, to the Cruz campaign. A great return on investment, $10 Mil to save $6.8 Billion.

Renaissance is a “Club for Growth” major donor. Club for Growth has spent plenty to run attack ads against Trump because, Trump would like to stop hedge fund tax underpayments utilizing “carried interest” definition in the IRS code.

“Renaissance Technologies, the hedge fund Mr. Simons founded and which Mr. Mercer helps run, is currently under review by the I.R.S. over a loophole that saved their fund an estimated $6.8 billion in taxes over roughly a decade, according to a Senate investigation. Some of these same families have also contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to conservative groups that have attacked virtually any effort to raises taxes on the wealthy.” http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/30/business/economy/for-the-wealthiest-private-tax-system-saves-them-billions.html

The new FEC filings should be out soon. This story will get louder.


75 posted on 12/30/2015 7:55:04 AM PST by GeaugaRepublican (Follow the Money)
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To: Reno89519

...”say-it-as-it-is Trump.”

Now, say it as it is now. The stuff he says now...not the stuff he said 2 years ago..before he was trying to get conservatives to vote for him...or 7 years ago. When he said Reagan was a conman, he wasn’t saying it how it was, but now he is.


76 posted on 12/30/2015 7:55:34 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God)
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To: jobim

7 million evangelicals didn’t vote in 2012. Cruz is mobilizing his base.


77 posted on 12/30/2015 7:57:38 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God)
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To: American Constitutionalist

You’ll get flamed for writing that, but I have seen posts from Trumpets musing that he should be emperor.


78 posted on 12/30/2015 8:04:41 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God)
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To: Reno89519

And Trump is our nation’s Messiah because he’s yugely wealthy. And therefore beholden to nobody. And therefore has only pure motives. Immanuel Trump; God with us.


79 posted on 12/30/2015 8:23:34 AM PST by Theo (Trump = French Revolution. Cruz = American Revolution. Choose wisely.)
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To: Isara

Mike Gonzalez, another Cuban with political aspirations of his own. Isn’t ANYONE born on US Soil anymore??

[snip] “I see our nation going in the wrong direction, and many of our legislators are kind of taking it in that direction, so I feel that we really need righteousness in the nation and the Bible says righteousness exalts a nation,” Mr. Gonzalez said. “So what we are looking for is righteous leaders to enter in the political field, and I am a pastor. I have not received that call to leave that yet per se into this field, but I want to be trained and ready to go if that is the case.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/15/david-lanes-american-renewal-project-mobilizing-pa/?page=all

If these preachers had their way we would be a Theocracy. That they have in common with the Muslims. There almost became a State of Franklin. In their constitution they forbid any LAWYER or PREACHER from holding office. WITH good reason!

With Cruz you get both!


80 posted on 12/30/2015 8:29:44 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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