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Ted Cruz huddles with faith leaders at ranch of super PAC donor
Washington Post ^ | December 29, 2015 | Katie Zezima and Tom Hamburger

Posted on 12/29/2015 9:20:38 PM PST by Isara

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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
I cannot be sure of your meaning.

One must win Christian Conservatives, Libertarians, Democrat blue collars,
Independents, disaffected, angry unemployed, Patriots, etal. Just the David Barton
followers are insufficient.
21 posted on 12/29/2015 10:05:34 PM PST by jobim
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To: JSDude1

And the Cruz fanatics seem a bit disconnected from reality, which makes them perfect foils to engage. For example, how can anyone say Cruz is surging or winning when he draws out dozens and hundreds of supporters and Trump in the thousands and tens of thousands. This reality check should not be so easily dismissed. Further, that Cruz has gotten away with playing hypocritical stands on TPP and Iran, has tossed the towel on social issues, has long favored 500% increase in H1B, has offered amendments to help legislation giving amnesty pass, then says it was just politics. He’s playing people. Even now won’t say deport, for example. Yes, I think these and more need to be pointed out every time someone comes along with these Cruz or Lose fantasies that fit well with a small group of people but not the general electorate. We need a winner, a general election winner, not a martyr. Go with Cruz and lose. This doesn’t need insults, just real discussion. Again, start with crowd size, which is more real than any poll as people have to go, have to stand in line, etc. Tell me how Cruz’s small crowds equate to victory? If only one answer, please answer that.


22 posted on 12/29/2015 10:05:56 PM PST by Reno89519 (American Lives Matter! US Citizen, Veteran, Conservative, Republican. I vote. Trump 2016.)
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To: Reno89519
Incisive mini-essay. We who find great strengths in Cruz need to confront the points you
raise. In what way is Cruz's candidacy more winning than Trump's?
23 posted on 12/29/2015 10:13:57 PM PST by jobim
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To: RginTN

I don’t really care about ethanol subsidies. Most voters probably don’t. Again, what did Cruz gain by staking a position against it? Doesn’t help him now, especially not in Iowa, and won’t help him in the general election. If you think otherwise, how so? And at what cost in votes does he trade one group for another?


24 posted on 12/29/2015 10:15:27 PM PST by Reno89519 (American Lives Matter! US Citizen, Veteran, Conservative, Republican. I vote. Trump 2016.)
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To: Reno89519
has long favored 500% increase in H1B

Seems you, like a good little trump fan-boy, left out salient facts concerning your spew against Ted Cruz:

With regards to the H1-B program:

Sens. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) together are promoting new legislation to reform the H-1B visa program, after scores of abuses by companies including Disney, Southern California Edison and more.

The bill, the American Jobs First Act of 2015, is essentially an antidote to the woes of the H-1B program. The bill, which represents a crackdown on immigration program abuses by special interests, has several components.

First, it requires companies that use H-1B workers to pay such visa holders “either what an American worker who did identical or similar work made two years prior to the recruiting effort, or $110,000,” whichever is higher. What that does is it takes the incentive to pay foreigners less than Americans away from corporations, thereby ending the ability for the program to be abused in that regard.

Second, the bill requires that within 730 days—two years—of “an employee strike, an employer lockout, layoffs, furloughs, or other types of involuntary employee terminations other than for-cause dismissals,” a company cannot bring aboard any H-1B labor. That means it wouldn’t be able to replace Americans with foreigners. The bill also has more transparency requirements throughout.

Cruz, in an appearance on Breitbart News Daily with Stephen K. Bannon on SiriusXM 125 the Patriot Channel on Friday morning, laid out the importance of the bill.

“Jeff Sessions and I together we launched a major reform bill on the H-1B visa program. As you know, the H-1B visa program was designed to bring in high-skilled workers,” Cruz said.

25 posted on 12/29/2015 10:16:51 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Reno89519

Again: I guess you can’t really tell me WHY you’re for TRUMP@?

Perhaps you just hate Cruz (for some unexplainable reason)? I really don’t get it because you claim that Cruz fanatics are this or that, but some Trump supporters are prone to fantasy (and claim to have foreknowledge) when their opinions are just that, OPINION, not fact (not saying some Cruz supporters don’t do the same thing, but I tend to notice when people post untrue things on pro-Cruz threads)..


26 posted on 12/29/2015 10:18:08 PM PST by JSDude1
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To: JSDude1

I’ve said it before in other threads. Trump is 100% American, a nationalist. He’s staked out clear positions devoid of PC wording. He has beat GOPe. He is a winner, not a martyr. I want a winner in 2016, not a losing martyr. And, I don’t really care about the little things, I want the broad strokes, which seems to what most Americans want. After Obama, after cycles of Republicans selling out Americans upon reaching DC, we need someone like Trump. Warts and all. Regardless of details, no one, of any party or persuasion doubts Trump’s belief in America and our exceptionalism. Can’t say the same for many or most of the others.


27 posted on 12/29/2015 10:22:24 PM PST by Reno89519 (American Lives Matter! US Citizen, Veteran, Conservative, Republican. I vote. Trump 2016.)
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To: Reno89519

so its ok for Trump to be owned by certain crony capitalists if you don’t care about them?

and Cruz is wrong for rejecting crony capitalists???

Again, I thought Trump supporters liked politicians telling it like it is, not holding back, saying what they mean and meaning what they say...learning new things about Trump supporters now


28 posted on 12/29/2015 10:25:15 PM PST by RginTN
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To: SoConPubbie

Simple, undeniable fact: Cruz let stand his 500% support for H1B until it recently became untenable. Now he is laying the politician and lawyer game of defining the definition of is. I’m not buying it. If he really didn’t believe in the increase, he’d have said it much earlier this year. Now, it is not credible and his explanations do him discredit. Can’t trust him, especially when you consider who is funding his campaign, who his wife and family are aligned with. I don’t trust Cruz to not sell us out.


29 posted on 12/29/2015 10:25:43 PM PST by Reno89519 (American Lives Matter! US Citizen, Veteran, Conservative, Republican. I vote. Trump 2016.)
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To: RginTN

Who, besides Trump, owns Trump?!


30 posted on 12/29/2015 10:26:39 PM PST by Reno89519 (American Lives Matter! US Citizen, Veteran, Conservative, Republican. I vote. Trump 2016.)
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To: Reno89519

That’s refreshing, now please refrain from all the B.S. on the Cruz threads.

Btw I support Cruz because he’s been a consistent conservative fighter for these issues (and more): 1) Marriage/the courts), check Cruz’s statements vs. Trump as late as even this summer and fall and tell me who’s better on this issue.

2) The Budget-Cruz has consistently fought for fiscal responsibility.

3) Foreign policy-Cruz is 100% correct and seems most Reaganesque. I don’t really know Trump’s as it’s really less clear in his statements, even at the debates.

4) Trump might be ~slightly~ better on immigration, but they’re close to tied on this one, IMO.

5)Cruz has consistently been 100% pro-life. Trump (is he now?, even on the courts/judicial precedent?).

6)On Federalism/The Constitution Cruz has been consistently correct.

I know there are many more, this is just a few!


31 posted on 12/29/2015 10:27:50 PM PST by JSDude1
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5)Cruz has consistently been 100% pro-life. Trump (is he now?, even on the courts/judicial precedent?).

No, Trump is not reliably Pro-Life. He is only partially, at best, Pro-Life:

JANUARY 2015

First he states he is in support of Abortion for Rape, Incest and Health of the Mother.

Then Trump was asked about a abortion by a woman being pregnant, and not from rape or incest, and Trump answered that it depends on how far along the baby is.

"It depends when"

INTERVIEWER: "So say a woman is pregnant, and it is not in any of those exceptions [rape/incest]categories, and she chooses to have an abortion"

TRUMP: "it depends when, it depends when"

YouTube Video of Interview
32 posted on 12/29/2015 10:33:28 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Reno89519
Simple, undeniable fact: Cruz let stand his 500% support for H1B until it recently became untenable.

No, you are substitution your completely biased OPINION for a FACT.

Cruz has given his reasons for changing his positions. I'll take him at his word. I've never caught him in a lie.

And with regards to changing positions, Trump is the King in that arena. He is simply a Campaign Conservative only.

Cruz is the CONSISTENT, Constitutional Conservative.

Trump wouldn't know the constitution if it bit him in the ass!
33 posted on 12/29/2015 10:35:50 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Reno89519

whoa whoa whoa big fella stop using that common sense, it trumps ideology careful.


34 posted on 12/29/2015 10:38:23 PM PST by datricker (Don't be a chump vote Trump)
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To: FreeReign

Donalds billionaries listen to Donald and vice versa because they are the same person. Also Donald is super awesome and everyday he endears himself to more and more people.


35 posted on 12/29/2015 10:40:34 PM PST by datricker (Don't be a chump vote Trump)
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To: jobim

What i mean is.....in a primary that is cluttered with candiddates at the start....winning the majority of christian conservatives and conservatives with a libertarian bent as well as just traditional (since 80’s) conservatives is plenty enough to win a primary.

Of course you need to win the bystander/don’t pay attention to sh!+ crowd as well for the general....buy you have to won the nomination first.


36 posted on 12/29/2015 10:41:28 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Hope the holland tunnel gets the makeover I suggested.)
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To: datricker

Yeah because positions that people have supported (either through action or word) in the past mean NOTHING.

Get a grip.


37 posted on 12/29/2015 10:42:04 PM PST by JSDude1
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To: Isara

Trump is all about Trump. Cruz sees a higher authority, God & Constitution.


38 posted on 12/29/2015 10:42:36 PM PST by kik5150
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

Sorry - I was lurching ahead to the general, and you are quite right with what is needed to win a primary.


39 posted on 12/29/2015 10:45:47 PM PST by jobim
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To: Isara

Impressive and diverse group.


40 posted on 12/29/2015 10:48:23 PM PST by FourPeas (Chocolate, sugar and lots of caffeine. Hard to beat that.)
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