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Cruz: Trump has jumped the shark for questioning my natural born citizenship
Twitter ^ | 1/5/16 | Ted Cruz

Posted on 01/05/2016 3:14:56 PM PST by M. Thatcher

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To: Electric Graffiti
No, thank you for your excellent research and well reasoned posts on the subject. Your patience with the Ogabe trolls was above and beyond the call of duty. ;)

It is wonderful to feel appreciated. Back when I was doing it, it didn't seem as if very many people understood the degree of work that went into it. Thank you for your recognition of mine and other's efforts.

221 posted on 01/07/2016 2:20:28 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: UCANSEE2
-- If you are born in Canada, and live there for a period of time, then you want to go to the US, how do you cross the border without a passport ? --

The US Canada border is easy to cross. I crossed it probably a hundred times w/o a passport, before 9/11. Border agent asks "where were you born" and "where are you going" and maybe "do you have any tobacco or alcohol" then waves you on. I crossed a few times as a child with my dad driving, and nobody had to show any documents. Same when I drove through myself.

The need for a passport or similar (NEXUS card) is new. A birth certificate used to be plenty good substantiation for claim of citizenship.

222 posted on 01/07/2016 2:32:47 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: DiogenesLamp

I’ll add my sense of appreciation too. It was clear to me that you spent many hours of research and organization, and faithfully followed the evidence where it went, not necessarily where you wanted it to go.


223 posted on 01/07/2016 2:35:33 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
I’ll add my sense of appreciation too. It was clear to me that you spent many hours of research and organization, and faithfully followed the evidence where it went, not necessarily where you wanted it to go.

Well thank you also for your recognition of my efforts. I found a few surprises in the mess, and I even thought about writing a book on how we got the meaning so screwed up from where it started. I might still do that some day.

A one word answer? Slavery.

224 posted on 01/07/2016 2:43:37 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Cboldt

Thanks for your response. Exactly what I’ve been trying to draw out of people.

BTW, Ted’s mother got him a US passport to go to a high school event in England. He probably could have gotten a Canadian passport instead. All the info I have found says that he would have been considered a dual citizen. I have found nothing to prove that he could not be.


225 posted on 01/07/2016 3:13:12 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: UCANSEE2
-- He probably could have gotten a Canadian passport instead. --

Yep, easily. But coming and going from US ports, a US Passport makes for less hassle from the border control agents. Plus I figure he and his family viewed themselves as Americans.

226 posted on 01/07/2016 3:17:04 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: calisurfer
calisurfer asks the right question: is Cruz a natural born citizen or not?

The answer is no. The definition of natural born citizen was well-known at the time of our Constitution's adoption. The definition appears in the only book mentioned in the Constitution -- The Law of Nations. Applying that definition today, Cruz is not a natural born citizen of the U.S., because he was born outside of the U.S. AND because one of his parents was not a U.S. citizen.

Cruz was a citizen at birth, thanks to a law passed by Congress and signed by the President, but that's not the same as being a natural born citizen.

227 posted on 01/07/2016 11:56:20 PM PST by Steve Schulin (Cheap electricity gives your average Joe a life better than kings used to enjoy)
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To: Steve Schulin

The answer is no. The definition of natural born citizen was well-known at the time of our Constitution’s adoption. The definition appears in the only book mentioned in the Constitution — The Law of Nations. Applying that definition today, Cruz is not a natural born citizen of the U.S., because he was born outside of the U.S. AND because one of his parents was not a U.S. citizen.

Cruz was a citizen at birth, thanks to a law passed by Congress and signed by the President, but that’s not the same as being a natural born citizen.
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Exactly!!! It makes sense that both parents (not just one), would need to be U.S. citizens for Cruz to be a natural born citizen. Cruz is not a natural born citizen & therefore not eligible to be president or vice president.


228 posted on 01/08/2016 3:19:27 PM PST by calisurfer
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