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An Un-Naturally Born Non-Controversy
Conservative Review ^ | January 8th, 2016 | Hans von Spakovsky

Posted on 01/08/2016 9:03:56 AM PST by Isara

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The Constitution Strikes Back
1 posted on 01/08/2016 9:03:56 AM PST by Isara
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To: Isara

The dems and their cheering section in the media are going to get as much political benefit from this as possible. If they can put doubt in the minds of enough people, their mission will have been accomplished.
Meanwhile, no word on 0bama’s book saying that he was born in kenya.


2 posted on 01/08/2016 9:05:46 AM PST by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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We agree! Please just let this go. It's no big deal. Nothing to see here. Just ignore, and you shall never hear of this again!!!

-DNC

3 posted on 01/08/2016 9:06:16 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: I want the USA back

“Meanwhile, no word on 0bama’s book saying that he was born in kenya.”

None of Obama’s books say that he was born in Kenya.


4 posted on 01/08/2016 9:10:28 AM PST by FewsOrange
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To: Isara
I always find it irritating that so many ignorant people insist on opining on this issue. On one hand, i'm glad they are ignorant, because if they were not, they would be lying when they say the stuff they say.

Their claims and assertions are politically helpful to our cause. (Advancing Conservative candidates.)

But it is still irritating.

5 posted on 01/08/2016 9:10:43 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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He lost me with “there’s little doubt” that he’s eligible. No there’s a lot of doubt, and even the theory proffered (that he because a citizen at birth through his mother) has not been documented in any way.


6 posted on 01/08/2016 9:12:05 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: FewsOrange
None of Obama’s books say that he was born in Kenya.

Not in the text of the book, but it does say so in the bio which went on the book.


7 posted on 01/08/2016 9:13:36 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: FewsOrange

For fifteen years, the publicists, Acton and Dystel for Obama’s autobiography, Dreams From My Father, published in the press release for that book that he had been born in Kenya. The release was edited three times in that interim, and the reference to Kenya was NOT changed until Obama began explorations to run for the presidency.

Fancy that. You can readily find the press release on line and see for yourself.


8 posted on 01/08/2016 9:15:58 AM PST by DMZFrank
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To: FewsOrange

But his book cover did.


9 posted on 01/08/2016 9:16:36 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Isara

I heard Donald Trump is not a “natural born” citizen.

He was delivered by cesarean!


10 posted on 01/08/2016 9:22:49 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: I want the USA back
The dems and their cheering section in the media are going to get as much political benefit from this as possible

If Cruz is the nominee and this hadn't come up now, the dems would've framed the debate. This pre-emptive discussion is a much better idea. Get it out in the open, and have it settled before the nomination....whether for Pres or VP

11 posted on 01/08/2016 9:23:15 AM PST by grania
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To: FewsOrange

Not the text of the books themselves, no, but the autobiographical blurb that he submitted to his publisher, which was included on early editions of his first book stated that he was born in Kenya.

He also claimed that in interviews with the local media when he was first running for state office.


12 posted on 01/08/2016 9:24:46 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

“even the theory proffered (that he because a citizen at birth through his mother) has not been documented in any way”

What documentation do you require? He’s a sitting U.S. Senator, so he has to be a citizen, and he was never naturalized, so he could only have acquired citizenship at birth.


13 posted on 01/08/2016 9:26:14 AM PST by Boogieman
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This guy doesn’t understand the issue. It isn’t whether a person born in another country to at least one US citizen parent is a citizen at birth. That’s a pretty cut and dried legal answer.

The questions are whether (1) his mother took any provable steps in Canada to drop her US citizenship, or (2) took any questionable steps in Canada regarding Ted’s or her own US citizenship.


14 posted on 01/08/2016 9:29:25 AM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

There is little doubt. Read here for a detailed analysis:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/74189147/November-14-2011-CRS-Report-Qualifications-for-President-and-the-Natural-Born-Citizenship-Eligibility-Requirement


15 posted on 01/08/2016 9:34:47 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: xzins

“The questions are whether (1) his mother took any provable steps in Canada to drop her US citizenship...”

Hard to prove a negative. Do you have any evidence she did?


16 posted on 01/08/2016 9:36:08 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: sauropod

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17 posted on 01/08/2016 9:37:48 AM PST by sauropod (I am His and He is mine.)
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It’s not a negative. It would be supported in Canada by some office showing up with paperwork.

Circumstantial evidence would be failure to file IRS tax forms each year as if she no longer had to, or failure to file for baby Ted’s CRBA or birth passport to verify his US citizen status.


18 posted on 01/08/2016 9:38:55 AM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Boogieman

Tragically, the disaster that is our current President has set new standards for eligibility, but please note what the language of the Constitution says:

The term Natural born Citizen appears in our Constitution, in Article 1, Section 2, with these words, (quote) No person except a natural born citizen [born of two parents who were themselves citizens], or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States. (unquote)

Please note that the founders made the distinction between “Natural Born Citizens” and “Citizens”.

If there were not a distinction in their minds, then there would have been to reason to list both “types” in their list of qualifications.


19 posted on 01/08/2016 9:45:22 AM PST by CaptainKip
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To: Boogieman

How do you know any of that? How do you know that he was never naturalized? How do you know that he’s a citizen?


20 posted on 01/08/2016 9:58:18 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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