Posted on 01/16/2016 5:41:19 AM PST by ez
For discussion...
What would happen if Ted Cruz were to file in Federal Court and sue Congress for Equal Protection under the Fourteenth Amendment? In his suit, he must demand that Congress applied the same standard to him that they applied to Obama and McCain in 2008.
Congress found that Obama was eligible with one citizen parent, the mother. Ted Cruz qualifies under that standard. Congress also found the McCain was eligible despite having been born on foreign soil...that standard must also be applied to Cruz if he wins in court.
Let's bypass all the arguments about Vattel, Naturalization Acts, and so forth. Go straight for Equal Protection and force them to treat you the same as the others.
I posted to this to Ted Cruz’ Facebook page, but who knows if anyone will read it.
Then I would write Donald Trump’s name in because he would have just just wiped his butt with the constitution.
I thought the 14th Amendment was part of the Constitution.
People seem to think that the courts would balk at making Obama ineligible, even though British common law actually declared that even an ineligible monarch, someone ruling illegally, could pass valid laws. The laws would be made in continuity in order to maintain “public order,” though, of course, anything bad would be undone by whoever came next.
I’m saying that because there doesn’t seem to be a lose lose here for the Democrats even if they’re forced to admit that Obama is not eligible.
I’m sick of one standard applying to progressives and moderates and another standard applying to conservatives. I’d sue.
vague pronoun references
With Obama, the birthers got played. They got led down the path of determining where Obama was born. Birth Certificate, bogus or not, established he was born in the US. The birthers left the argument of "dad's" Kenyan citizenship which was undeniable. Besides that, in the Obama case, just about everyone acknowledged that Obama had to be born on US territory to be a natural born citizen.
So, what's your point. If you're so sure Cruz is eligible, why not wait four years to run for President, and give the courts time to sort it out?
No lawyer here; but Ted needs a favorable ruling from a source that matters.
Otherwise, he is going to get imPalinned w/ lawsuits out the wazoo. That’s what desperado haters do.
What you should really be sick of is knowing “our” side gave Obama a pass, when we know darn well the dems will fight for the issue.
The courts cannot order Congress to do anything.
you are naive to think that there’s anything Cruz could do to stop the Alan Grayson idiots of the world, and frankly, I’d be ashamed to let Grayson’s threat (and others from moonbats) impact my thinking.....which they clearly have done to yours.
Very very naive. You are asking Cruz to accept your premise (he rejects it and he’s more up to speed on the Constitution than you are) and then you want him to do so with a phony gesture that won’t do a damned thing.
It is, indeed. Your argument amounts to "once an error is made, the error must be followed forever after."
OK, use Romney’s father George who was born in Mexico but still deemed to be eligible.
He would have accepted your premise, which he totally rejects. That's all. It would not stop the Graysons of the world.
It is, indeed. Your argument amounts to "once an error is made, the error must be followed forever after."
IOW, if an error of law benefitted one person, then the error must be equally applied to those who come after. Equal protection of the mistake is not equal protection of the law.
show me where it says anything about natural born citizens.
I understand, but if he sues with that verbiage, anyone—including illegals—could become president.
Now with Cruz being born in a foreign country (definitely not Hawaii), with a father who was not a citizen, and a lot of us are saying, "Oh, it's no big deal. He's our guy. He's Conservative. It's okay this time."
I try not to be a hypocrite -- I say Cruz has a problem, and it's probably worse than Obama's.
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