Posted on 01/18/2016 5:57:15 PM PST by Enlightened1
For all the arguments that went on for years on this web site, talk radio and many other sites about Obama's eligibility.... If Cruz is eligible because his mom was a U.S. Citizen, then so is Obama because his mom was a U.S. Citizen.... Just saying!
Sorry, that is not the case. The situations with Obama and Cruz have different facts. There is no inconsistency in the standard that is being applied.
A person is either a citizen by consequence of their birth or because he or she naturalized later. The Constitution gives Congress the power to regulate naturalization which by default gives it the power to define who doesn't have to go through the naturalization process because the person is deemed a citizen by virtue of his or her birth. Based on the particular circumstances of their births, both Obama and Cruz didn't have to go through a naturalization process because they had met the requirements of the time to qualify as U.S. citizens by virtue of their birth.
That was the issue during the hub-bub over Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate. If he had been born outside of the U. S., he would have had to have been naturalized to become a U. S. citizen because his mother would not have been able to convey citizenship to him. Cruz' birth situation was different because his mom was old enough to convey her U. S. citizenship on him.
Absolute 100% hypocrisy
No. It is absolute 100% misunderstanding by you of your opponents' position.
Legal paternity is all that matters.
Please cite the relevant law that says that? There’s two ways to be a citizen, natural born and naturalization. Cruz did not have to be naturalized, my children did not have to be naturalized even though they were born in Berlin while I was serving this country overseas. Please don’t try and pass off this crap and say they are 2nd class citizens.
In spite of those who wish to believe this issue is settled, it really is not. We may find out and maybe it will be settled one of these days.
I think there is a possibility that Trump is saying this so as to open the door to 0bunghole’s non-eligibility. Things I’ve heard Trump say recently in a Wolf Blitzer interview, and a rally speech, and the fact that he was the one who brought up “No birth cert” and got 0bunghole to release the forged one. And a couple other things....
Give me a break. You don't think the Dems or even the GOPe would bring this up in the general election if Cruz is nominated?
So was Cruz born on U.S. soil or does that matter?
In general, any Republican is better than any Democrat.
Then there is the matter of Trump. He may be an exception to the rule. But that depends on whether he is really a Republican, or a plant.
If Trump is nominated, I expect to take a position of serene detachment, and watch the election as I would the Canadian election, or any other foreign political contest. I will have been eliminated from the process, and will put my attention toward preparing for what is to come.
Actually the HI state registrar confirmed that Obama does NOT have a legally-valid HI birth certificate, by refusing to issue a verification with his signature and seal verifying the facts claimed on the birth certificate image Obama posted. Any birth fact submitted for verification HAD to be verified by Onaka if that birth fact matched what was claimed on a legally-valid birth certificate in the HDOH files. Onaka issued NO verification with his signature and seal even though AZ SOS Ken Bennett submitted all the facts claimed on the White House birth certificate. The only way HI had ANYTHING to give to Bennett was by DOH director Loretta Fuddy using HER seal on a document that appeared to verify a HI birth but didn’t. That seal is only legally to be used to certify HER signature, which was nowhere on the document Bennett received.
This is legal verification that Obama’s HI birth certificate is legally non-valid.
Please don't say one of the other things, was he was considering Orly as his VP./s
That’s not what I want. That’s what Alan Grayson has promised will happen if Cruz is the nominee. That’s why we need to have this resolved BEFORE we choose our nominee.
btt
That use to matter to some Cruz supporters but not anymore.
Now all you need is one U.S. parent and you can be born anywhere you want.
That’s the new talking point.
I wasn't. Children of diplomats, ambassadors and military members are considered natural born because even though they leave the country, it's because they're in service TO it, so the political tie is still there.
§ 217. Children born in the armies of the state.
For the same reasons also, children born out of the country, in the armies of the state, or in the house of its minister at a foreign court, are reputed born in the country; for a citizen who is absent with his family, on the service of the state, but still dependent on it, and subject to its jurisdiction, cannot be considered as having quitted its territory.
Vattel, The Law of Nations, Or, Principles of the Law of Nature, Applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns
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I was stating the general rule for most people and didn't bother stating the exceptions. My bad.
Where does that leave Rubio?
You’re right. Trump knows a WHOLE lot more than he’s letting on.
Nice to “see” you.
Suppose he came to the United States at age 14....or 24....or 34.....or 43. Could he run for President?
Lol. He’s been President for seven years and no one’s proven he’s not eligible to be president. Without proof it’s ridiculous to assert otherwise.
Ok, boys and girls, here is what we have to deal with:
Trump has paid tribute to the Donks in the course of business. He has hung out with the Clintons and used to express some leftist positions. He now has claimed to shift positions to our side. He has also brought many issues to the fore that would not have even been discussed if he wasn’t in the race.
Sadly, Trump and many of his supporters are now going on a “birther” kick. We all saw how well that worked against Obama. One key difference: some leftist judge may actually play that game against Cruz if it helps put a Donk (esp. Hillary) in power.
Cruz is the smartest man in the room. By a ton. But he has the personality of wallpaper and could never get the support of the blue collar Dems that Trump is getting.
Summary: Neither is perfect.
But they both are superior to the GOPe (who hates them both) and far superior to the Donks.
So just stop beating each other up!
I’ll vote for either if they are the nominee.
Tear down the damn Marxists. Not each other.
Okay, by that standard Trump can still run for British office, since he has never renounced British citizenship do far.
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