Posted on 02/03/2016 9:57:46 AM PST by Trumpinator
'Weakest position in years': Russia and Assad may have just delivered a decisive blow to Turkey in Syria
Natasha Bertrand
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Pro-government forces in Syria have reportedly broken a rebel siege of two villages northwest of Aleppo, effectively cutting off Turkey's supply line to opposition groups operating in and around Syria's largest city.
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In this de facto war between Russia and the U.S., it looks like Russia is winning.
Good!
This is the real purpose behind the new Su-35s, which are an easy match for Turkey’s F-16s.
Su-35s can be used in a ground attack situation, but are really an air-to-air fighter and Russia already has much cheaper aircraft in position to do that.
The Anti Christ is not impressed.
Good! Screw the Turks. They were not there when we needed them in 2003.
Let them BASTE IN THEIR OWN JUICE!!
Historically, the Turks are about the last people on earth you want to get stirred up.
In war they are mean, fierce, tough, fearless and do not know how to quit.
Maybe I can go to Constantinople in my lifetime and attend a Mass at Hagia Sophia.
Ditto on the good. Time to toss Turkey from NATO.
In war they are mean, fierce, tough, fearless and do not know how to quit.
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In Korea the Turks broke and ran every time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Brigade
There have been differing views over the performance of the Turkish brigade by various historians, journalists, and officers. The American historian Clay Blair wrote that war correspondents were misled[neutrality is disputed] into thinking that the Turks were "tough" fighters by their "flowing mustaches, swarthy complexions, and fierce demeanors", while in fact[neutrality is disputed] as a non-eyewitness historian Blair claimed them "ill trained, ill led, and green to combat."[10][11] He also claimed the same thing for American troops, with using the same discourses "ill-trained, ill-equiped, ill-led and thinly disposed"[12] He also expressed his opinion with an exaggerated criticism in his same book "the war correspondents were mesmerized by Turks and continued to regard them as superhuman fighters..."[13] Blair, with a critical point of view, continued to give similar quotes from 27th Infantry Regiment Commanding Officer Mike Michaelis: ''The Turks were commanded by an aged brigadier who had been a division commander at Gallipoli in 1916 fighting the British! He was highly respected, high up in the Turkish military establishment, and took a bust to brigadier to command the brigade. The average Turk soldier in the brigade came from the steppe country of Turkey, near Russia, had probably had only three or four years of school, was uprooted, moved to western Turkey, given a uniform, [a] rifle, and a little smattering of training, stuck on a ship, sailed ten thousand miles, then dumped off on a peninsula – ‘Korea, where’s that?’ – and told the enemy was up there someplace, go get him! The Turk soldier scratches his head and says, ‘What’s he done to me?"[14][15] According to Blair, catastrophic results ensued on the battle field due to American officer John B. Coulter's mistaken faith in the Turks fighting prowess since Coulter was as deceived as the war correspondents regarding fighting abilities of the Turks, whom Blair called "poorly led green troops".[16][17]
I could copy/paste an article describing the Yankees’ panicked flight from the first Battle of Bull Run, but that would hardly reflect the fighting qualities of the American soldier.
Do a little more research.
Fixed.
The Turks fighting abilities are over rated. Ask the Kurds.
The Turks are good at raping defenseless Italian woman.
Two Woman (1960)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054749/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_47
Let’s roast some turkey boys.
In war they are mean, fierce, tough, fearless and do not know how to quit.
Some Americans have said that about the South Koreans...And a lot of people have said that about the Americans...
My father always told me that the Americans in Korea respected the Turks as vicious close in fighters who preferred to use blades at night. Of course, the soldiers on the ground might not have been as well informed as the academic intellectuals in the US.
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According to these recorded testimonies of Korean vets it was the Greeks who were the bayonet men and the Chinese feared them in close quarter combat. Seems the Greeks liked charging down the hill at the Chinese charging up the hill and scared the Maoshitdong out of them.
Youtube video from The Sacramento Bee's historical series talks about this at around 6:43 minutes in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKLSJ6a3DmU
Outpost Harry, Korean War. The Veterans. Greeks & Americans Vs Chinese.
The Turks on the other hand - see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wawon
In the aftermath of the fighting, the Turkish Brigade was completely fragmented, with most of their equipment and vehicles lost.[27] Although both historian Clay Blair and Colonel Paul Freeman believed that Turkish Brigade was "overrated, poorly led green troops" who "broke and bugged out", and blamed them for not protecting on the right flank of the US Eighth Army...The claimed event of Turks killing 200 enemies by bayonet was a myth.
I can't find the source - but I did read it - the CIA led an effort to pump up the Turks in the media as Cold War propaganda because in 1950 they had just signed up to be on our side in the Cold War and they were considered a valuable Geo-strategic ally. It's amazing how myths spread
Turks were noted during the Korean War for skinning a local alive if something went missing in their compound bounded by a single stand of wire 12” off the ground.
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