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Zika hysteria is way ahead of research into virus, says expert (Microcephaly? Maybe not..)
Guardian ^ | February 20, 2016 | Jonathan Watts

Posted on 02/17/2016 10:23:18 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o

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To: Mrs. Don-o

Disease scares never worry about the facts, the important part is the panic.


21 posted on 02/17/2016 11:51:39 AM PST by discostu (This is a different kind of flying... all together.)
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To: Daaave
Scientists believe that the newly revealed Zika virus that is exploding in South America is carried by the same Aedes aegypti mosquito that has been proliferating in India, doubling the incidence of dengue in the country last year. yaleglobal.yale.edu

With its mild climate, Florida is susceptible to mosquito-borne diseases. Over the years, the state has experienced sporadic outbreaks of dengue and chikungunya - other tropical diseases carried by the Aedes aegypti mosquito, which is prevalent in Florida. kplu.org

22 posted on 02/17/2016 11:52:00 AM PST by Daaave ("Where it all ends I can't fathom my friends")
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...
Zika Ping...

While it is entirely possible that the virus is not the cause (of microcephaly) or only part of it, to avoid having yet another STD with unpredictable results on a heretofore unexposed population just might be a good thing.

In such matters, erring on the side of caution is seldom regrettable.

23 posted on 02/17/2016 11:53:21 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Of course it takes an Israeli doctor to bring sanity to this discussion


24 posted on 02/17/2016 11:58:48 AM PST by montag813 (NO MORE BUSHES (or Clintons) EVER...Put it in the Constitution.)
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To: Jim Noble

Honestly, I have seen NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE connecting Zika to microcephaly. May I have a link to the study?

I have seen where the Zika virus is found in utero but not a good controlled study to see if there is ACTUAL CORRELATION let alone cause of Zika to microcephaly.

It’s like saying “we tested moms pregnant with microcephalic babies and 85% of them Tested positive for caffeine. Thus coffee causes microcephaly.” That isn’t much as far as science is concerned.


25 posted on 02/17/2016 12:00:05 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Jim Noble
Thank you for supplying more of the relevant details. It's good to have FReepers who have actual professional knowledge about issues like this.

Please keep us informed!

26 posted on 02/17/2016 12:00:33 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Mental handicap does not raise the question of the baby's humanity --- but of our own.)
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To: PA Engineer

Ping


27 posted on 02/17/2016 12:03:29 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt ( British historian Arnold Toynbee - Civilisations die from suicide, not by murder.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
It appears that a larvacide sprayed on cities and added to water is the actual cause of the microcephaly. There were cases long before Zika was touted as the "cause". The vaccine makers are salivating at an opportunity to exploit the hype well before there is proven causality.
28 posted on 02/17/2016 12:18:55 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Jim Noble
As I remember it (and I am open to correction) the top 10 causes of birth defects in the developed countries, are various prescription drugs.

Also implicated are toxoplasmosis (extremely common, and you catch it from cat litter), cigarette smoke (including 2nd-hand smoke), X-rays (not just medical, but countless other minor sources like TVs, smoke detectors, and airplane trips), lead and mercury (various sources, including heavy-metal contaminated water, and fish: yes, fish, the brain food!)...

My purpose here is not to pooh-pooh teratogen exposure or say "don't worry, because it can't be avoided." My purpose is to make a plea that all these things be put in their proper context and weighed in terms of competing risks.

Zero-toleration of risks is just flat-out impossible. Having E. coli in your gut, Staph and Strep in your nose --- which we all have --- is a risk. But we need to have some careful comparisons about what, when, where, how much, what's worth calling a "crisis," and what are the alternatives.

29 posted on 02/17/2016 12:22:26 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Mental handicap does not raise the question of the baby's humanity --- but of our own.)
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To: Yaelle; Mrs. Don-o
Hot off the (virtual) press.

Look, as I have said repeatedly, this is a new and rapidly evolving event. Like the "bodies stacked like cordwood" in Mexican villages with H1N1, a lot of things people "know" will turn out to be false.

But, we have to act to protect women who are pregnant or who may become pregnant and who have travel plans based on incomplete knowledge. The papers referenced in the link above have changed me from agnostic to pretty sure about the microcephaly story, YMMV as always.

30 posted on 02/17/2016 12:45:52 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown, are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: Justa

They were apparently giving pregnant women untested vaccines (expermental), while they are pregnant this year in Brazil!


31 posted on 02/17/2016 1:02:09 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Certainly DDT should be spread now. With thousands of infants being born with shrunken heads, practicing birth control until they end the threat would only be prudent.


32 posted on 02/17/2016 1:08:55 PM PST by soycd
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To: Jim Noble

Thank you. Good things to keep in mind.


33 posted on 02/17/2016 1:15:18 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Always drink upstream from the herd." - Will Rogers)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

It’s leftist public health organizations that are promoting abortion to currently pregnant women in South America. Is Gates funding them? A vaccine may follow-but who is financing the development of the vaccine? Bill Gates was quoted as saying we need vaccines to reduce the population. What if it really is a grand depopulation effort? Abort thousands of babies now then give a vaccine that, unknown to the women, reduces fertility.

At this point, given the known beliefs of the elite regarding the supposed over population, I’d believe that they are capitalizing on the recent introduction of this virus into South America.

By “in the name of compassion” I was being sarcastic. The socialist elite call evil good and bitter sweet-woe to them indeed.


34 posted on 02/17/2016 1:20:08 PM PST by NorthstarMom (God says debt is a curse and children are a blessing, yet we apply for loans and prevent pregnancy.)
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To: Justa

Your theory makes sense. Two of my daughters (oddly, the two who look alike) had bad reactions to the dtap vaccine. All the kids are now behind on vaccinations.

A poisoned batch causing severe birth defects is entirely plausible.


35 posted on 02/17/2016 1:25:38 PM PST by NorthstarMom (God says debt is a curse and children are a blessing, yet we apply for loans and prevent pregnancy.)
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To: SaraJohnson

“They were apparently giving pregnant women untested vaccines (expermental), while they are pregnant this year in Brazil!”

Figures. Free drug trials without the costs or liability of a study. I guess Rhesus monkeys are too expensive nowadays.


36 posted on 02/17/2016 1:51:20 PM PST by Justa
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To: NorthstarMom

We waited until my daughter was 4 1/2 before vaccinating her (mom stayed at home). Worked great!

It’s a numbers game. There’s the risk of vaccine-correlating injuries and deaths vs. the risk of typhus, cholera, measles, mumps, diphtheria, etc. and their infection/death rates. The first is epidemic whereas the latter is practically non-existent.


37 posted on 02/17/2016 1:59:41 PM PST by Justa
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To: Jim Noble

So because the Zika virus was found in a fetus with microcephaly = the root cause? Did you read the article? The outbreak of microcephalic babies is limited to a northern state in Brazil. It stops at the border. No reported cases over the border. So the mosquitoes respect national borders?


38 posted on 02/17/2016 2:06:24 PM PST by Justa
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To: Justa

We live in area that has recently seen a huge influx in immigrants from third world countries. Those diseases didn’t seem likely until now.


39 posted on 02/17/2016 2:52:37 PM PST by NorthstarMom (God says debt is a curse and children are a blessing, yet we apply for loans and prevent pregnancy.)
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To: NorthstarMom

Mosquitoes capable of carrying Zika can and do live in the US.

Zika seems to be a fairly mild, self-limiting disease. There is no definitive evidence to link it to microcephaly. Other sequelae of Zika (like Guillain-Barré syndrome) happen as a result of several infections, and are not specific to Zika.


40 posted on 02/17/2016 4:22:32 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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