Posted on 02/17/2016 10:23:18 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o
OMG. Do people really have so little understanding of how vaccines work, or what they are? A vaccine is a means of teaching the immune system to recognize a disease causing organism and kill it before it causes a disease.
The consequence of women receiving TDaP vaccine during pregnancy is that their bodies make antibodies that will prevent babies from getting diseases like whooping cough until they are old enough to be vaccinated. Most whooping cough deaths are among babies who are too young to be vaccinated.
Mercola is not a source of medical information.
The claim that pertussis vaccine can cause encephalitis betrays a profound lack of understanding and knowledge about infectious disease, immunology, and human physiology.
Um, how does *the* public health measure that has saved more lives than any other medical technique reduce the population?
I seriously doubt that anyone wanting to reduce the population would be funding deadly disease prevention measures. I suspect that many of those who want to decrease the human population are, in fact, anti-vaxxers.
According to the disease specialist just back from several years in Columbia that was on Denniis Prager today, that species does not live in the US. I don’t have a strong opinion, just repeating what I heard.
The audio of the Gates speech in which he said that we need to get vaccines to impoverished nations so the worlds population can be reduced can be found online. What did he mean? I shudder to think. The reality is that many of the world’s wealthy and powerful elite see people, especially those in third world countries, as pawns that are expendable.
When we get vaccinated we trust that they are pure and have only the necessary components for that vaccine in it. But as consumers we don’t test each vile to be sure that it hasn’t been altered. Evil people do evil things. Evil people with vast amounts of money and a vision for the world that includes reducing the population of “lesser” people groups can do evil things on a massive scale. How could any of us ever know what is his vision for vaccines for impoverished people?
I’m merely speculating about something that another freeper brought up-Bill Gates.
Laboratory tests on vaccines used in a vaccination campaign in Kenya in 2014 confirmed that the vaccines contained the Beta HCG sub unit hormone ---a hormone known to render women infertile.
This vaccine consists in part of an alpha-subunit of ovine luteinizing hormone, beta hCG:alpha oLH) linked to tetanus toxoid (TT) or diphtheria toxoid (DT) as carriers. The vaccine was praised by researchers ten years ago, when it first was discovered that "women of proven fertility leading active sexual lives were protected from becoming pregnant."
I.e. thousands of women getting tetanus shots were --- so to speak ---as an added bonus at no extra cost (!!!)---- rendered sterile without all that complicated business of having to get their consent...
FReepers, get up to date on this (LINK).
Zika is carried by Aedes species of mosquitoes. Aedes species certainly do live in the US.
I would have to hear (or see a transcript) of exactly what he said, in context. You don't reduce the world's population by making people live longer and healthier lives.
The only thing I can think of is that maybe he was saying something about providing vaccines so that women would not have to have as many children. That is not at all the same as promoting the decrease of human populations. On the contrary, it is a well-established phenomenon that when the child death rate goes down, people respond by having fewer children. It is a natural response.
Figures. Free drug trials without the costs or liability of a study. I guess Rhesus monkeys are too expensive nowadays.
I looked that up, and could not verify it at all. Supposedly, some Kenyan bishops made that claim--but no article I could find could substantiate the claim or that Kenyan bishops had made such a claim. An article supposedly about these bishops could not even get the details about the biological function of HCG correct--I doubt any of the rest of the "facts" in that article were correct, either. I was only able to verify that there is rumor mongering of a similar sort each time a vaccination campaign is launched. It's easy to rumor-monger: most people, even in educated countries, have no idea what a vaccine is, how it works, or how the immune system functions, and these issues are not easily reduced to sound-bites that non-vaccinologists can understand. Thus, making people believe nonsense is especially easy.
If anything, this story supports a suspicion that I had for a long time--that those anti-vaxxers who run the websites, who publicly spread anti-vax propaganda, have a knack for pretending to be caring and compassionate, but are engaged in a calculated effort to stop vaccine use precisely because unvaccinated children die. The anti-vax movement has its roots in liberalism, after all--and who loves the deaths of innocent children more than radical leftists?
One fact is that tetanus is a huge killer of new mothers and their newborn infants. Vaccine campaigns are targeted at areas where the highest numbers of these deaths occur. So you have the irony that anti-vax fearmongers are claiming that a vaccine campaign meant to save the lives of the most vulnerable is really a nefarious plot to render them sterile. The real effect of such fearmongering is that more women and babies die.
Another fact is that tetanus vaccine contains tetanus toxoid--and that's all (besides the usual buffers, adjuvants, etc.). Things like luteinizing hormone, HCG, etc., are certainly not components of any vaccine against infectious disease.
Another fact is that researchers have been attempting to design a birth control vaccine for decades. I did, in fact, find a reference to a vaccine such as the one you described: "This vaccine consists in part of an alpha-subunit of ovine luteinizing hormone, beta hCG:alpha oLH) linked to tetanus toxoid (TT) or diphtheria toxoid (DT) as carriers." That vaccine was developed, not ten years ago, but back in the 1980s, in India. There were a total of 9 articles published about it between 1988 and 1998 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=HSD+hCG+vaccine). The lack of any further articles on it, and the length of time that has passed since they were published, tells me that the effort failed.
One last fact is that no government of a poor nation will allow vaccines to be used on their populace that are not approved in other countries. So, to sneak in a contraceptive vaccine--even if it existed--would be extremely difficult, to say the least, since that government's health inspectors would be right there to inspect the vaccine. Furthermore, if it were the goal of doctors and nurses--who take time out of their practices to go on humanitarian missions--to sterilize people without their knowledge--in contradiction of everything they are taught about healthcare--ineffective vaccines would not be the way to go about it.
Eek, I am running quite late for work. So I don't have time to proofread fully, sorry for any typos.
For confirmation of Beta HCG (which can prevent pregnancies and disrupt existing pregnancies) being found in tetanus vaccines in Kenya, I'd go to Population Research Institute
Nobody --- nobody --- is against anti-tetanus vaccination. What raised suspicion in this particular case in Kenya was that
If UNICEF-WHO wanted to serve the women of Kenya and forestall controversy, they should let the Kenya Catholic Doctors Association test the anti-tetanus vaccines --- or even better, obtain, test, and administer them.
No tetanus vaccine contains any antigen other than the tetanus toxoid.
The reason that it was decided to give 5 doses instead of 3 is that 5 are more likely to result in permanent immunity against tetanus. Given the weak healthcare system in that country, it is likely that many people would not, for whatever reason, be able to get the 10 year boosters that people in developed countries receive.
Considering that during this fourth decade of attempting to produce a reversible and efficacious contraceptive vaccine, no candidate vaccine has yet progressed beyond phase II trials, I would say that this idea that contraceptive vaccines are being given to women without their consent is pretty far-fetched. In fact, I'd say that it ranks right up there with the idea that HIV or Ebola were invented for the purpose of killing off black people.
Technically, there are many challenges in trying to make a contraceptive vaccine. The foremost is that the immune system has strong safeguards against reacting to "self"--that is, any protein made within the body. Being a "self" protein, the HCG is not very immunogenic. Much of the contraceptive vaccine research has been dedicated to trying to overcome that natural mechanism against self-immunity.
The second is that the vaccines are supposed to be reversible--however, there is a lot of variability in duration of immune response. Thus, a woman who decides to get pregnant after receiving this vaccine a few years previously might not be able to. Or a woman thinking that she is protected against pregnancy might become pregnant a couple of years after receiving the vaccine, before she is ready to get pregnant. Ideally, reversibility means it can be shut off on demand as quickly as it was turned on--and the vaccine is unpredictable. In short, a contraceptive vaccine is not yet ready for prime-time.
Another reason this scenario is highly unlikely is related to why developing a contraceptive vaccine has been so challenging. Just because a protein is included in a vaccine does not mean that it will elicit an immune response. HCG is used medically to induce descending of the testicles in pre-pubertal boys, and to induce ovulation and pregnancy. Since the medical uses of HCG are related to inducing normal reproductive health (and I mean actual health, not baby-killing as the abortion industry likes to use the term), it is hardly likely that including this in a vaccine would have any effect other than that it has when used as a drug.
A vaccine is nothing more than a protein compound injected, ingested, or inhaled into the body. The proteins are from microorganisms. Their difference from human proteins is what elicits the immune response. In the case of DNA vaccines, the DNA is used by the body to make proteins which, in turn, elicit the immune response. This DNA lasts a very short time before it is destroyed.
As I said before, I have not been able to find any verification of this alleged plot to sterilize women without their knowledge outside of some questionable websites.
You’re correct. It is an (unproven) assumption of globalists that, by providing maternal and child health to Subsaharan Africa, that the fertility index will fall.
This assumption follows from the economic determinism (Marxism) which virtually all globalists and transnationalists believe in.
And they’d better be right, because the projected population of Subsaharan Africa in 2040 is > FOUR BILLION, half of whom will die of starvation or migrate to Europe and North America.
Don't get out much, huh?
Most people have little to no understanding of anything.
This virus was engineered by globalists to reduce birth rates.
This phenomenon has been observed multiple times. In Europe, Asia, and the Americas, whereever healthcare is top-notch and children are more likely than not to grow to adulthood, people have reduced the number of children they have. In fact, they have reduced the number too far: the reproduction rate in these areas is below replacement rate. In Africa, where efforts to provide better healthcare still have a long way to go, but are beginning to be effective, the birthrate is now ~4 per woman, where a few decades ago, it was twice that. The replacement rate is about 2.4 children per woman.
Leftists do not want to vaccinate or provide healthcare to Africans because they look at the birthrate and assume that preventing child deaths will result in runaway population growth. I.e., they like the fact that millions of children die every year because they are so fixated on the idea of overpopulation. To them, every dead child is a child who is prevented from contributing to overpopulation (this is also why they love abortion so much.) They do not consider the fact that in every country where good healthcare prevents child death, people reduce the number of children they have--thus the overpopulation fear is probably unfounded.
It would be better to say, "No tetanus vaccine SHOULD contain any antigen other than the tetanus toxoid." You might want to consider this from National Institutes of Health . The money quote:
A number of birth control vaccines are at different stages of development, the most advanced being a vaccine inducing antibodies against human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG). This vaccine consists of a heterospecies dimer (HSD, beta hCG associated with alpha-subunit of ovine luteinizing hormone, beta hCG:alpha oLH) linked to tetanus toxoid (TT) or diphtheria toxoid (DT) as carriers.This is the type of vaccine given to thousands of women in Kenya. Anti-tetanus and anti-fertility. They had not consented to the latter.
It would be better to say, "No tetanus vaccine SHOULD contain any antigen other than the tetanus toxoid." You might want to consider this from National Institutes of Health .
No, I meant to say exactly what I said.
There is absolutely no evidence that the story about giving Kenyan women a vaccine is anything but rumor-mongering. Such a story, while appealing emotionally to a certain number of people, does not stand up factually--in the words of the Mythbusters, it is not plausible.
The fact that researchers have been attempting to develop a birth-control vaccine for the last 30 years does not mean that such a vaccine can even work, much less that such a vaccine has been secretly produced for distribution. The lack of success after 30 years tells me that there are considerable technical/biological hurdles in the way of such a vaccine: not least, the body's robust safeguards against developing immunity against any bodily protein (including HCG).
I have already explained, but here you go again: a vaccine is simply a protein. Merely injecting a protein does not automatically cause immunity to develop. If that were the case, then millions of diabetics would be immune to insulin. Ditto for any other injectable protein-based non-vaccine drug. There is no magic chemical that, when mixed with a non-immunogenic protein, causes that protein to become immunogenic.
So what if researchers have been attempting for the last 30 years to make a birth control vaccine by linking HCG to tetanus toxoid? The body's mechanisms preventing self-immunity are still active. HCG is still a self-protein. There is no contraceptive vaccine, and there might never be one. Contraceptive technology is going to depend on antagonist molecules for the foreseeable future.
In addition to all that, if there were some nefarious plot to sterilize women by including HCG in the vaccine, the plotsters would be shooting themselves in the foot with this tactic. HCG is used medically to treat infertility. Inducing women to ovulate hardly seems like a successful strategy to secretly sterilize them.
Switching from the biological reasons a secret plot to sterilize women without their knowledge or consent is firmly in the realm of rumormongering, there are also logistical/technical reasons such a plot is highly unlikely. That is because of the process of making vaccines. Vaccines have to be made under strict conditions of sterility and quality control. I toured a vaccine plant once--visitors were not even allowed to walk in the hallways without donning a full set of PPE--and we were not allowed into production areas at all. We had to look through windows. Because of the quality and sterility requirements, it is not a trivial matter to change the production lines to making a different vaccine. It takes a minimum of a month to clean, sterilize, and certify all of the equipment on the line. Thus, in order to believe that women are being secretly sterilized by injecting them with an ovulation-inducer along with the tetanus antigen, we have to believe that a vaccine plant has been taken off-line for at least a month in order to prepare to spend several weeks producing a secret, non-licensed, prototype vaccine of dubious efficacy, and then taken off-line again for at least a month in order to switch production back to its normal product. Really??? That is a LOT of time and expense supposedly dedicated to making a drug that has never progressed beyond phase 2 trials.
As I've said before, this rumor ranks right up there with the rumors that HIV and Ebola were created in a lab for the purpose of wiping out black people. Emotionally, to conspiracy theorists, these stories have a lot of appeal. However, technically, biologically, and logistically, these stories are firmly in the realm of make-believe.
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