Apple v.FBI and Eric Snowden
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Posted on 03/11/2016 1:11:35 PM PST by Swordmaker
NSA whistleblower rubbishes claims that only Apple can unlock killer’s iPhone 5C, indicating FBI has the means itself
Video at source of Snowden claiming the FBI can unlock the San Bernardino iPhone
Edward Snowden, the whistleblower whose NSA revelations sparked a debate on mass surveillance, has waded into the arguments over the FBI’s attempt to force Apple to help it unlock the iPhone 5C of one of the San Bernardino shooters.
The FBI says that only Apple can deactivate certain passcode protections on the iPhone, which will allow law enforcement to guess the passcode by using brute-force.
Talking via video link from Moscow to the Common Cause Blueprint for a Great Democracy conference, Snowden said: “The FBI says Apple has the ‘exclusive technical means’ to unlock the phone. Respectfully, that’s bullshit.”
Snowden then went on to tweet his support for an American Civil Liberties Union report saying that the FBI’s claims in the case are fraudulent.
Meanwhile, Microsoft founder Bill Gates said in a discussion on Reddit: “I think there needs to be a discussion about when the government should be able to gather information. What if we had never had wiretapping? Also the government needs to talk openly about safeguards.”
(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...
Snowden is extending his fifteen minutes of fame by capitalizing on his notoriety like John McAfee did. The iPhone 5s and the 5C were already beyond his ken, much less iOS 9. The documents Snowden released relating to Apple were all questionable, referring to possible future developments such as the document relating to developing a future remote software hack to get into the iPhone which carried a date of October 2007, and another referencing Apple being brought into the NSA’s PRISM program but only as an anticipated target date for Apple to join in the future.
I didn’t want to say it but I’m sure Snowden is right. Maybe they can’t legally or publicly open it, but this whole thing is a charade.
:: Bill Gates said in a discussion on Reddit: “I think there needs to be a discussion about when the government should be able to gather information ::
Isn’t that called “THE 4th AMENDMENT” ?
Had the FBI not botched opening it 10 times and locked it out permanently , they could have gotten it unlocked.
On this, I agree with you.
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“I didn’t want to say it but I’m sure Snowden is right. Maybe they can’t legally or publicly open it, but this whole thing is a charade.”
There are a couple total azzhole freepers who spent a LOT of time here deriding anyone who even thought this might be possible, because they were SO MUCH smarter than everyone here.
Nasty, nasty POS’s.
As I said from the start- it’s a charade to convince idiot criminals to use the Apple system without any additional encryption. It’s the most popular phone and would give the feds the most easy access to the most people.
IF this whole thing truly wasn’t bull****, it wouldn’t be so publicized and thrown in our faces every damn day!
“:: Bill Gates said in a discussion on Reddit: “I think there needs to be a discussion about when the government should be able to gather information ::Isn’t that called “THE 4th AMENDMENT” ?”
Yes. Yes it is. But if you make that argument around here, you have to prove you are a world class code writer and experienced all around Apple Head. There’s a lot of dims on board here who don’t seem to agree with the second part of that amendment. They seem to think that Timmy Cook should be able to make that call.
I have serious doubts that the FBI are even concerned with Islamic terrorism so I am suspicious of their desires to hack into iphones. I don’t trust our government one damn bit.
“Had the FBI not botched opening it 10 times and locked it out permanently , they could have gotten it unlocked.”
That’s the nyah nyah nyah nyah defense for ignoring the 4th amendment. It makes sense to some people, I just don’t know why.
I think it’s the “post hoc, ergo propter hoc” school of thought.
IF this whole thing truly wasn’t bull****, it wouldn’t be so publicized and thrown in our faces every damn day
You be funny bruh!
I believe there is a majority of Freepers that would argue “If you have nothing to hide, why would you not give us the info?”
Who is the APPLE person, afterall?
Sometimes...I hate Murrikins.
That's not actually what the FBI did. Without discussing their idea with Apple, they decided they'd try changing the AppleID password associated with that iPhone, ignorantly thinking that would somehow get them access, so they had the San Bernardino County Health Department IT guys to log onto Apple and change the AppleID password. Had they NOT done that, Apple could have forced the iPhone to back up to any WIFI to which that iPhone had been previously connected, but by changing the password, they broke the link.
That leaves the only means to get in is to break the passcode.
“I believe there is a majority of Freepers that would argue “If you have nothing to hide, why would you not give us the info?”
I am not one of those. I just think that when ISIS slaughters a dozen or so people and we trying to find more info, that is probably NOT the best time to question the correctness of lawful search and seizure laws. It’s awright. The courts will settle them out. And the Apple Heads will lose, grinding PR bull crap like this or not. Too bad we lost an opportunity to learn more, perhaps, and that all those families had to be put through this. Again.
I have no doubt the FBi with NSA help can hack any iphone. OK They might need to hire some outside talent but no more than 7 days to hack any iphone to shit
I think Snowden is correct. The FBI flubbed up.
My son was unable to talk inside most of the campus buildings because of the distance to the tower. I called the phone company and complained about having to stand outside buildings to talk. (all the kids were experiencing this) I was told my son’s phone was given the program to all their customers. I could have this problem solved if I had his phone stripped of his programs and had it reprogrammed while on campus. This was done and the problem was solved.
I understand this situation is quite different but we’re not told a lot.
So we are "nasty, nasty POS's", huh? Snowden cannot possibly know this. You believe Snowden when HE fled the country MONTHS before this technology was even released?
We have explained exactly why it is not possible for the FBI to open these devices, and provided links to the proof. Those who claim it is easy do not explain how they are going to do it. . . just that it is simple. . . but they do not know what they are talking about, like you don't.
:: It’s awright. The courts will settle them out ::
A large percentage of “real” Americans are unemployed and cannot afford to defend themselves in court.
Our current situation defines “guilty” as “can’t afford to pay a lawyer”.
I’m inclined to agree with you. The various security agencies including the FBI have (IMHO) a duty to develop the methods necessary to do what they are trying to do here. And it seems naive to believe this is somehow decreasing in any meaningful way our right to privacy.
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