[chris37]

LOL!

Yes, I think so.

But yeah, I don’t think that all females cab be considered victims here or treated equally with someone who may well be a victim.

Some of these women are clearly out of their minds on this.

[BlackElk]

We indulge a polite fiction that the women are always the second victim. I have never heard anyone argue that the woman is as innocent as the baby or should be treated equally with the baby as a victim, except in the rare cases of literally forced abortions.

If a woman is genuinely out of her mind on this, that would be a legal defense of mental incapacity to commit the crime.