Posted on 06/08/2016 8:30:19 AM PDT by expat_panama
y’all ever thought about this?
TPP will allow working people from all signing countries to move freely to all other signing countries. FREELY. Imagine what that means. This includes virtual working people, of course.
And China may join up.
Then there’s the pharma, international council of ‘rulers,’ ag, intellectual property....and on and on.
Global trade and business? How about dissolution of the US and abject poverty for us neo-feudal serfs.
Any skill that can be learned in three days sounds like something that would pay less than even H-1B wages.
[NASA Community College Aerospace Scholars engage in a three-day workshop]
It must be a cultural re-education workshop.
Whoa, that's important. Please, this is the full text of the TPP and you have got to show me exactly where it says that so I can write my congressman and maybe we can stop this before it's too late.
Yes, and I’m ambivalent about the idea. Are all decisions to be based on purely economic outcomes? Are there other values that should be considered, such as protecting our own citizens? What about all the cheap crap that China is foisting on us? It’s gotten so that US consumers have no idea what they are buying, whether it’s tainted dog treats or wood floors packed with carcinogens. What happens when all the US manufacturers close up shop and we have no alternatives but foreign made goods? What are the safeguards for our citizens?
Oh, I know. We will all open our own cupcake shops or bow tie stores like those ridiculous commercials on television.
On the other hand, globalization may be inevitable. The book, The Sovereign Individual by Davidson and Rees-Mogg, paints a picture of a future of a global economy and massive disruption with large nation states cracking up. We may be seeing this already. There will also be fewer ways for unskilled and low-skilled people to earn a living. In the future, nobody is going to be paid $35 an hour with benefits for lowering windshields onto vehicles. Those days are long gone. There is the potential for a lot of unrest. As the old Chinese curse says, we are living in interesting times.
(The book is fascinating, in spite of the screwy title.)
I can’t see how anyone could oppose the east asia co prosperity sphere./s
“According to Morris, the TPP “contains a barely noticed provision that allows for the free migration of labor among the signatory nations.” Indeed, that element is actually patterned after similar provisions in the treaties foisted on European peoples to destroy national sovereignty and impose the unaccountable super-state now known as the European Union. The provision on immigration, Morris said, “would override national immigration restrictions in the name of facilitating free flow of labor.” That could “easily be interpreted” as “allowing farm workers and others to flow back and forth without legal regulation,” he added.
Aside from the open borders component, it would also be a massive blow to the U.S. Constitution. “The treaty could lead to the effective repeal of the specifically enumerated power granted to Congress in Article I of the Constitution to regulate immigration and naturalization,” Morris said. “While the treaty is still being negotiated, the current focus on white-collar immigration [is] sufficiently elastic to allow open borders.”
Now, just where this statement is glossed over in the text, I don’t know. I thought it was still under lock and key. Is the entire document at your link, or is some still secret?
I’ve tried to avoid this subject simply because there is so much misinformation and emotion surrounding it that a rational discussion based on the facts is impossible. Whenever a trade deal - regardless of the merits - devolves into accusations that reducing taxes and barriers to trade is akin to open borders and unfettered illegal immigration, it’s far better to go outside and play basketball with the kids.
Temporary Entry for Business Persons l Chapter Summary
http://tpp.mfat.govt.nz/text https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/tpp-full-text
It looks to be Appendix 12. I'll wager that's not all. Consider all the working programs...H1B, L1, H2, 'Student,' etc.
I have questions, not opinions.
Why do we have to have some 9000 page bill restricting and structuring 'free trade' between nations ?
Why call it 'free trade' when it will be nothing of the sort ?
Sovereignty Snuffing
That's how this thread's going. For me what this all boils down to is--
No wonder the Humanists have so few members...
Ah. Somehow I was hoping for an actual quote that said "allow working people from all signing countries to move freely to all other signing countries". If that's not in there (or at least something that clearly says the same thing) then I can't use it to complain to my lawmakers.
I thought it was still under lock and key. Is the entire document at your link, or is some still secret?
It's what everyone in the trade office says we got, but if they're secretly hiding something then nobody would ever know --not even the foreigners wanting to 'move freely'-- so then it wouldn't be a problem.
Some how I didn't see the part in the article where the writer said "we need TPP because of economic outcomes alone and to hell with protecting U.S. citizens."
fwiw, over the centuries the nations that amassed the most wealth though trade with other countries ended up being the most powerful and having the happiest citizens.
Those Nations had borders though.
VietNam example:
A. Service Sales Persons Viet Nam extends its commitments under this category to all Parties that have made commitments under the headings of:
Business Visitors
Service Sales Persons
B. Intra-Corporate Transferees
1. Viet Nam extends its commitments under this category to all Parties that have made commitments under the heading of:
Intra-Corporate Transferees
2. Viet Nam shall grant temporary entry to Intra-Corporate Transferees, as defined below, working in services sectors and sub-sectors if Viet Nam undertook commitments in the WTO (WT/ACC/VNM/48/
Add. 2) without requiring these business persons to obtain a work permit or an equivalent requirement as a condition of temporary entry.
3. Viet Nam may, upon application, grant the right of temporary entry to the accompanying spouse or dependents of an Intra-Corporate Transferee of another Party.
4. Upon application, Intra-Corporate Transferees and, if relevant, their spouses and dependents may be issued with temporary residence cards, or equivalent multiple entry rights.
C. Persons Responsible for Setting up a Commercial Presence
1. Viet Nam extends its commitments under this category to all Parties that have made commitments under the headings of:
Independent Executives
Other Personnel
Persons Responsible for Setting Up a Commercial Presence
Investors
2. Viet Nam may, upon application, grant the right of entry to the accompanying spouse or dependents of a Person responsible for Setting up a Commercial Presence of another Party.
3. Upon application, Persons responsible for Setting up a Commercial Presence and, if relevant, their spouses and dependents may be issued with temporary residence cards, or equivalent multiple entry rights.
E. Other Personnel
Viet Nam extends its commitments under this category to all Parties that have made commitments under the headings of:
Independent Executives
Other Personnel
Persons Responsible for Setting Up a Commercial Presence
Investors
E. Contractual Service Suppliers (CSS)
1. Viet Nam extends its commitments under this category to all Parties that have made commitments under the headings of:
Contractual Service Suppliers
Independent Professionals
Installers/Servicers
Professionals
2. Viet Nam may, upon application, grant the right of temporary entry to the accompanying spouse or dependents of a Contractual Service Supplier of another Party.
3. Upon application, Contractual Service Suppliers and, if relevant, their spouses and dependents may be issued with temporary residence cards, or equivalent multiple entry rights.
Not sure what we're talking about, the only time the article mentioned borders was w/ "TPP provisions... ...would improve intellectual property rights protections, boost cross-border data flows, and simplify trade rules" and we couldn't have 'cross-border' trade unless we had borders.
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