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1 posted on 06/08/2016 10:57:11 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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What ends it is when someone who has had their assets forfeited sues the pluperfect hell out of those who seized them unlawfully. Not just for the amount stolen, but with considerable punitive damages.


2 posted on 06/08/2016 11:05:48 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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The way to handle this would have been to call the County Sheriff and plead your case before they even left the scene. By all rights, if LE is stealing what is yours, you should be able to defend yourself using any means necessary. YES, that does include a gun. Cops have a gun and they would kill you if necessary to enforce a regulation. Citizens have the right to enforce their right to property and due process.


4 posted on 06/08/2016 11:18:12 AM PDT by Glad2bnuts (ROP.....Religion Of Peace, PTB......Powers That Be)
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Eventually, people’s lack of legal recourse for injustice such as civil asset forfeiture is going to result in retaliation and bloodshed, and the people causing the injustice will be to blame.

If the authorities don’t want trouble, then they shouldn’t start any.


5 posted on 06/08/2016 11:21:15 AM PDT by baltimorepoet
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To: nickcarraway

Take the cops to small claims court.

If that doesn’t work, the owner should ask to see the car to get some personal property from it . Then dump sugar in the gas tank, take off engine parts, etc. Let the .gov termites deal with the hulk they stole.


9 posted on 06/08/2016 12:27:39 PM PDT by bkopto
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Asset forfeiture without conviction is one of the many things I cannot believe the courts allow. It is so obviously a violation of our Constitutional civil rights. We have grown so large and the government so powerful, and it has for a long time now been that the government writes laws to expand and protect its interests, and against the interests and needs and wants of the people. We have to start turning this craziness back.


10 posted on 06/08/2016 12:29:18 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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11 posted on 06/08/2016 12:48:24 PM PDT by CedarDave (Obama's America - where the criminals are victims and the police are the criminals.)
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My apology for the long NM PING post; don’t mean to hijack the thread. I got behind with so many NM posts so instead of pinging each thread individually, this method takes care of them all at once.


12 posted on 06/08/2016 12:51:09 PM PDT by CedarDave (Obama's America - where the criminals are victims and the police are the criminals.)
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Snip: “Democratic state Senator Daniel Ivey-Soto says he’s open to tweaking the details, but the main goal of the law should remain in place.”

DANIEL IVEY-SOTO: “What I don’t want want is for law enforcement to be put in a position, which I think is unfair position. And that is where they end up having to seize property and sell it to make their budget.”

Leave it to a frigging democrat law maker to see the cops as the victims in all this. It’s just so “unfair” to the cops that they’re forced to steal citizen’s property in order to pay themselves. Argh!!!

The ONLY reason this car is being held as ‘evidence’, along with many many others, is because they intend to sell it IF they can get a conviction. There is absolutely NO OTHER REASON to hold on to this car owned by a third party. What’s the prosecution going to do? Take the jury out to the impound lot and show them a car sitting there and say “yep, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I present to you this piece of crap car that the mechanic was driving”? Or is the prosecutor going to have the car driven into the courtroom just so the jurors can see it? Heck no! A simple photograph will suffice. The cops are holding it ONLY because they hope to steal it (now that this asset forfeiture is criminal) and sell it to pay for their salaries. This is the sort of crap that goes on in turd world countries, but this is New Mexico, so I repeat myself.

I applaud the efforts of Senator Lisa Torraco in pushing to get this legislation passed, as well as representing the family who has had their car stollen by the police. I had lunch with Senator Torraco a while back and she’s exactly the type of person we need in government here to help clean New Mexico up!!!


23 posted on 06/08/2016 3:07:40 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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