Posted on 07/15/2016 8:35:11 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
True. I never understand people who war with the past. There are people I admire from that period and people who I dislike. But hatred? And wishing death on people already dead, lol? Not so much!
I believe all of Marx’ articles for Horace Greeley’s New York Tribune are archived at
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/subject/newspapers/new-york-tribune.htm
Some are laugh out loud (unintentionally) funny and some are actually pretty sharp.
Are you as stupid as you sound?
I am a Southerner, born in the heart of Dixie and raised in the deep south. I have never heard of your so called "Nat Turner Day!"
I also know nothing about an execution in Jerusalem but for the only one that matters! What other generalizations do you make about my heritage?
Let me try it on you. Only gangsters and whores live in Nevada. Do you keep a derringer in your g-string?
You were on a roll until you got to this vapid judgement. Any Southerner, slaveholder or not might choose to fight against a Northern Army of invasion.
Amen wardaddy.
You may not know anything about Jerusalem but I suspect you have just forgotten what you have been taught. Where do you think Nat Turner died? Go ahead and check again so you can remind yourself about Jerusalem.
P.S. There are a few gangsters and whores in Nevada, but they are all Democrats and if we celebrated Nat Turner Day here in Nevada, I would not invite any of them.
Looks like sagar got hisself a bolt
Don’t know if temp or perm
Likely the anti Trump rhetoric
Which given what’s at stake this election
Is not welcome here
We already have the GOPe for that
Oh, really? Shortly after he wished dead Confederates dead? LOL!
‘Looks like sagar got hisself a bolt’
Nah, that “suspension” page is a fake that he put up himself. He’s still very much alive and well.
With some qualifications, I nevertheless respect the old memorials and commemoration of Confederates scattered about the South. Look closely at the inscriptions, and one finds that the Confederate soldier statue at the courthouse or city hall or in the town square was usually donated by people trying to remember and honor not distant ancestors but their sons, brothers, fathers, and grandfathers.
I like Rep. Steve King but think that he is being foolish and provocative in displaying even a small Confederate flag and then arguing the Lost Cause myth when it is challenged. He reminds me of the descendant of Lincoln conspirator Lewis Powell whom I know. Now quite elderly, hard of hearing, and absurdly garrulous, he brings up the Confederacy, the Civil War, and the Lincoln assassination to strangers in restaurants or at public meetings, even arguing in favor of the conspirators.
Instead, why not see the facts of history as they are? And honor your ancestors without necessarily taking up their causes? As for the Confederacy, it was a bad cause that drew upon the loyalty and sacrifices of good men and women. Thus it is said that through its history and literature, the South contributes to America a maturing understanding of tragedy and loss, while the South's stubborn and flamboyant fighting spirit is incorporated into the American military of today.
Why not talk of that instead of regurgitating the Lost Cause myth? Or talk of how many former Confederates eventually became sincere advocates of regional and racial reconciliation? And if we take their example seriously, why flaunt the Confederate flag, the symbol of support for slavery and White supremacy?
I am not taking up their lost causes. I am imploring we leave our ancestors buried after 150 years. You can no more ascribe motives and causes through the myopic lens of history than you can fathom the mysteries of God.
My Great Grandfather fought in the 29th Alabama Infantry Regiment, Company C. His Grandfather fought in the American Revolution with Colonel Campbell's riflemen at The Battle of Cowpens and The Battle of Guilford Court House. To you, one Revolution is OK, the other is not. To them, they each knew they were fighting against tyrannical oppression.
My Great Grandfather became an American citizen again after the war and does not have a Confederate flag on his grave. He does have a US Federal marker at the foot of his grave recognizing his military service as a veteran. The anti-Confederate smear campaign is a political campaign to denigrate Southern heritage. Your posturing and rationalization is quite transparent.
...the South's leaders wrecked their society and squandered rivers of blood and hundreds of thousands of lives.
That makes as much sense as your family trying to keep your brother from leaving home and shooting him dead to make sure he doesn't.
The South left the Union, the North did not let them go and proceeded to send Armies down to subjugate the South, yet you have the gall to blame the South for the bloodshed. Go sell your turnips somewhere else.
Meanwhile, the north is falling apart and the South has risen again
But thanks for the link.
Except there was no "tyrannical oppression" - other than what the slavocracy imposed upon their chattel. I see nothing that is denigrating of southern heritage in what Rockingham has posted - quite the opposite he shows deference to the memory of gallant soldiers fighting in the defense of their homelands.
I hope you do think that one day soon, the North will even regret freeing the slaves. Your comment aside, we are one country and there is no North and South in the sense of separate destinies.
Just what "tyrannical oppression" did the North threaten the South with in 1860? Nothing, really, other than the undermining of slavery and ensuing changes to the South's culture, economy, and social system. That was the cause that led to secession and the formation of the Confederacy. And as for South independence and slavery being distinct causes, the Confederate leadership rejected proposals for wartime emancipation as a way to win the Civil War.
When one such proposal in the Virginia legislature became public, a major Southern newspaper published a letter to the editor denouncing the very idea in terms that could not be disputed: "If this war is not about keeping our n***ers, then what are we fighting about?" All proposals for Southern emancipation fell by the wayside against that objection.
Would you continue to disparage Able's progeny if you were the spawn of Cain? Your pathetic attempt to compare the Southern states with Nazism is beyond the pale.
Can't you even see that you are reverse engineering history? No one today can possibly comprehend the contemporaneous thoughts, motivations, experiences, or beliefs of 150 years ago. People lived then as their parents had lived and their parents before them. Your attempt to ascribe our modern values to generations long past and judge them with 20/20 hindsight is a fools errand. You may continue your quest without me.
We can and should judge the past on its own terms. Toward that end, historians look at, among other things, how those in the past understood and presented their ideas and actions. After about 1750, mass literacy and wide scale printing mean that as to great events, we can often read what a great many people had to say for themselves.
As to the issue at hand, when the historical evidence is examined, the Lost Cause defense of the Confederacy must be rejected as an artifice built on falsehoods. The Confederacy was about preserving slavery. It was not a noble cause, but the defense of the Confederacy evoked the sacrifices of a great many noble men and women. I submit that those men and women and their sacrifices deserve memorialization and recognition as part of our national history even though we must mark the Confederacy as an unworthy cause.
How dare you imply that I could ever believe in holding my fellow man in bondage! I have not embraced and never would embrace the views and actions of my ancestors regarding slavery and you are a clueless idiot if you think I ever would.
If you wish to judge the antebellum South, explain why the United States of America was the only nation in the civilized world that went to war with up to a million and a half casualties to end Slavery. All the blame for that falls on the North for its unconstitutional invasion of the Southern states. Eighty percent of the battles of the War Between the States were fought in Southern territory.
I never attempted to present a glorious "lost cause" defense of the Confederacy. I only ever presented the belief that a Confederate Flag over the graves of Confederate Soldiers killed in battle is the only and final appropriate place for it.
I also know that none of us in our age can truly put ourselves in the minds and hearts of our long past generations. Even today we have great divides among ourselves such as the Second Amendment, the death penalty, energy policy, taxation, education choice, activist judges, religious liberty, tort reform, national defense, law enforcement and public safety. Try to put yourself in the minds of a century and a half from now and think of how you may be judged. No doubt some self important jerk will have many intellectual opinions regarding the immoral scandalous hateful barbarians of the past.
Just to add a little punctuation on my final response to you:
Arguing for a "right of secession" is deeply misguided. No such right is stated in the Constitution, and even in 1860, any bid for secession had to be expected to be disputed and to lead to Civil War. So, no, there was no right to secession, and especially so because the cost of secession would be so catastrophic.
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