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Why Traditional Christians and Especially Catholics Should Not Vote For Hillary Clinton
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Posted on 10/22/2016 12:32:41 PM PDT by detective

Many of you know that for more than 4 years, I have been one of the leaders of the team representing religious organizations, mostly Catholic (including Bishop David Zubik, Bishop of Pittsburgh’s Catholic Diocese) in his case which was consolidated in the U.S. Supreme Court with the case brought by The Little Sisters of the Poor and cases brought by others, against the government over Obamacare’s “contraception mandate.” A great number of religious groups of all denominations filed “friend of the Court” briefs supporting our position that while contraception is and could be available to all who choose to use it, government regulators should not force religious objectors (like The Little Sisters or Catholic Charities) to participate in the delivery of goods and services which offend their religious beliefs.

The work I have done in these cases , studying the guarantee of “free exercise of religion” in the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act , has caused me to read and often to investigate what the Obama administration’s views are of traditional Christian religious beliefs, religion, and especially Catholicism. I have also tried to gather as much information as I can about what Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, their running mates and their respective parties think about religion, Catholicism and traditional Christian religions (which the media often mocks as Evangelicals, “Bible thumpers” or “the religious right”).

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This is an interesting article from an attorney involved in issues of religious freedom.

He make a strong argument that there is no way a sincere and faithful Christian could vote for Hillary Clinton.

Do you think he is correct?

1 posted on 10/22/2016 12:32:41 PM PDT by detective
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To: detective

That she worships Moloch is enough.


2 posted on 10/22/2016 12:36:26 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: detective

there is no way a devout Catholic could vote for Hillary with her stance on abortion....any kind of abortion.


3 posted on 10/22/2016 12:36:45 PM PDT by DOC44 (Have gun will travel.)
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To: detective

I have a very small role in a big pro-life case in Kansas, Hodes v. Schmidt. I have met several of these heros and when I get discouraged I think of them.


4 posted on 10/22/2016 12:37:02 PM PDT by Mercat (Men never do evil so fully and cheerfully as when they do it out of conscience.” (Blaise Pascal))
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To: detective

In the debate, hillary in defended abortion of viable pre-born infants including Partial Birth Abortion. How can a practicing Catholic vote for her and still receive the Sacraments?


5 posted on 10/22/2016 12:37:08 PM PDT by grania (I'm Deplorable)
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To: detective

Ezekiel 23:37
37 That they have committed adultery, and blood is in their hands, and with their idols have they committed adultery, and have also caused their sons, whom they bare unto me, to pass for them through the fire, to devour them.

Jeremiah 32:35
35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.


6 posted on 10/22/2016 12:43:20 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan

My mom was reading this to me the other day .... my comment to her was “I think we’re there”.

2 Timothy 3 New International Version (NIV)

3 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.


7 posted on 10/22/2016 12:55:55 PM PDT by Qiviut (In Islam you have to die for. The God I worship died for mewww.freerepublic.com/f. [Franklin Graham])
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To: Qiviut

We are definitely there.


8 posted on 10/22/2016 1:14:37 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: DOC44

there is no way a devout Catholic could vote for Hillary with her stance on abortion....any kind of abortion.
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Absolutely correct. But the problem is there are a countless number of so-called Cafeteria Catholics who simply ignore all Catholic teaching that conflicts with their liberal/ progressive/modernist worldview. And the primary one these people ignore is probably abortion.


9 posted on 10/22/2016 1:37:11 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat (HRC, the chief puppet of anti-American Globalists.)
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To: detective

Should not: Yes.

Could not: No.

Any sinner is capable of any sin, error, or mistake.

I think it is safe to say that a sincere Christian should not vote for Hillary Clinton.

However, many ostensibly sincere Christians are going to do just that.

Remember, some self-proclaimed Christians are making the same claim about Donald Trump (for whom I will not hesitate to vote).

We have reached a point in America - thanks to the effective implementation of the Communist Manifesto - where many supposedly sincere Christians embrace homoeroticism as being by God’s Design.

Heresy and apostasy are rampant in so-called mainline denominations, thanks to The Long March Through The Institutions by the evil Marxists: Most seminaries are just as leftist and corrupt as most universities.

I am personally appalled by the thought of any Christian voting for her... but the Church - the true Church - has bigger problems to face within Herself.

If in facing those, we become subject to persecution by a Clinton administration, than so be it. We signed up for the duration, come Hell or Hillary (or perhaps I should say Hell and Hillary).


10 posted on 10/22/2016 1:41:38 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: detective

Unfortunately, in failing to recommend voting FOR Trump as a mathematical necessity to eliminate Clinton, this article does not finish the job. Sort of like wearing a condom.


11 posted on 10/22/2016 1:51:53 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (We will be one People, under one God, saluting one American flag. --Donald Trump (standing ovation)
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To: detective

There is no harm in looking at the positive side: Donald Trump is far and away the more Christian-friendly choice.

A lot of modern Christians have confused giving their neighbor’s money to the poor via a government that offers no choice, with giving their own charity to the poor. This is not viewed as virtuous in any serious segment of Christendom (and FWIW, not in serious Judaism either, which also prizes the practice of individual voluntary benevolences).


12 posted on 10/22/2016 1:51:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ifinnegan

We’re studying Isaiah in bible study at church. He talks a lot about the Lord God destroying Israel because of their sinful ways. We may have a long way to go before God’s favor shines on this country again.


13 posted on 10/22/2016 1:53:27 PM PDT by Mercat (Men never do evil so fully and cheerfully as when they do it out of conscience.” (Blaise Pascal))
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To: detective

There no such thing as a christian that is not traditional. If you don’t believe in the Word of God and the literal truths of scripture, you might be something, but you’re not a christian!


14 posted on 10/22/2016 1:56:40 PM PDT by 2nd Amendment (Proud member of the 48% . . giver not a taker)
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To: YogicCowboy

It looks like maybe we both see a bigger issue. The salt and light supply is getting scanty, and it’s not because the Lord doesn’t have copious amounts, but it’s because a church that has been getting more and more shallow has not been seeking the deliveries.

America isn’t a church, and it was not founded upon any explicit prescription that it be “Christian.” However it was built to be able to benefit and flourish from a robust Christian presence among it. This has dawned on Donald Trump.

Yes by all means let churches get their affairs with the Lord in improving shape, no matter whether sin or virtue sits in the government. Then they will be in an optimal position to advise that virtue should sit there, being excellent examples of the exercise of virtue themselves.

Jesus came to the world to save the world, not to demand that the world save Him.


15 posted on 10/22/2016 1:57:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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Why Traditional Christians and Especially Catholics Should Not Vote For Hillary Clinton

Because she's a faggot-loving baby-killer.

16 posted on 10/22/2016 1:57:47 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, RINOs......same thing.)
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To: 2nd Amendment

Yes there is; it is a person who has genuinely accepted the person salvational offer of Jesus Christ.

THEN the improvement in life begins. Some people in that situation may look very untraditional on the surface. But the Lord knows that this is only the surface. They will not be excused, but they will by the Lord’s promise be forgiven and saved.

Talk in the vein that we must make ourselves Christians is very vain and very misleading. All we can do is find ourselves learning to assent to the reach of the Lord.


17 posted on 10/22/2016 2:00:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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America isn’t a church, and it was not founded upon any explicit prescription that it be “Christian.”

Yeah, then why do they mention the baby Jesus in the Constitution?

18 posted on 10/22/2016 2:01:01 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, RINOs......same thing.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

That could be partly right. Jesus died on the cross to love the world, which includes faggots, in the hope that they might accept His kindness which will lead them to be ex-faggots.

However, the baby killer is a problem. She personally had abortions and never regretted it... that is a weight of evil which rests on her heavily.


19 posted on 10/22/2016 2:02:23 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

The calendar system “year of our Lord” is the only nod. It is not a prescription but an affirmation, that the authors in fact DID believe in Christ at some level (some were more orthodox about that than others).

All else is left to choice, and a terrible, momentous choice it is.


20 posted on 10/22/2016 2:04:45 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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