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ISIS obliterates M1 Abrams tank
Dailymail.com ^ | 11-02-2016 | KHALEDA RAHMAN

Posted on 11/02/2016 4:06:25 PM PDT by HogsBreath

The video that will chill the blood of every American tank crew: ISIS obliterates M1 Abrams tank with handheld Russian missile - showing just how vulnerable US armor is Clip shows Russian Kornet anti-tank guided missile home in on tank It hits the back of an Iraqi M1 Abrams tank which erupts into flames National security analyst says it shows US-made tanks are all but obsolete Incident makes an irrefutable case for the US Army to acquiring active protection systems, Dr Dan Goure says Turkey purchased 800 of the missiles in 2008 for $70m - delivery was completed before the current crisis in Syria That put the price for one missile at approximately $87,500 An American M1 Abrams tank is estimated to cost $5m per

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beamstopper; isis; laser; military; missile; war
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This isn't my area of expertise; but I believe I read there have been no A-1 Abrams tanks lost in combat.
1 posted on 11/02/2016 4:06:25 PM PDT by HogsBreath
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To: HogsBreath

Worst POSSIBLE place it could have hit.

Great missile, but I’m not sure this video is completely representative of the average (and much more likely) hit type.


2 posted on 11/02/2016 4:09:11 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: HogsBreath

Similar results for the excellent Merkava:

More fatal hits than Israel predicted.


3 posted on 11/02/2016 4:10:14 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: HogsBreath

None to another main battle tank, they are like 2800-0.

Nothing made takes ATGM hits in the rear, but I’d bet the crew survived. All that flame is just fuel. Also, these are probably ones we left there...


4 posted on 11/02/2016 4:12:26 PM PDT by Axenolith (CGovernment blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: HogsBreath

Ironic that the Abrams A1 and the German Tiger tank have the same “weakness” The rear armor is weaker than the frontal and side armor and both tanks were vulnerable to rear attacks. Did the American and German designers make the same error? Actually no. The rear armor is designed to blow outward if the stored ammunition were suddenly to “cook off”. The force of the explosion would be directed away from the crew and they would be likely to survive the horrific explosion. An armor piercing device that would ignite within a tank who’s armor was equally strong throughout would almost certainly kill the entire crew.


5 posted on 11/02/2016 4:15:59 PM PDT by allendale
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To: gaijin

Most of the Merkava losses were Mk2&3. The Mk4 lived up to its tough reputation.


6 posted on 11/02/2016 4:24:43 PM PDT by ThinkingBuddha
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To: HogsBreath

My reading seems to indicate the Saudis have lost more than a couple Abrams Tanks at the hands of the Houthi. Kornets and perhaps the newer RPG-30 series.


7 posted on 11/02/2016 4:26:04 PM PDT by donozark (It is true after all. Hillary Clinton really IS the Fouke Monster)
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To: Axenolith
Nothing made takes ATGM hits in the rear, but I’d bet the crew survived. All that flame is just fuel. Also, these are probably ones we left there...

The missile hit the lower rear turret, detonating the ammunition stored there. That's ammo propellent you see burning, not necessarily fuel. JP8 doesn't burn like that on it's own.

You can see the top ammo blow out panels flying away from the tank. If the interior blast doors held up, the turret crew may have survived. I'd suspect the driver did.

There are three fuel cells on the Abrams. Without saying where they are, only one is where you would think one would be.

The corkscrew flight path of the Kornet is unnerving.

8 posted on 11/02/2016 4:31:02 PM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: HogsBreath

The effectiveness of modern anti tank missiles and the proliferation of drones makes me question the future of tanks.

Maybe a smaller and less expensive unmanned “tank” could provide the same functionality without putting a crew at risk?


9 posted on 11/02/2016 4:39:10 PM PDT by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: IndispensableDestiny

That’s supposed to blow that way though isn’t it?


10 posted on 11/02/2016 4:43:24 PM PDT by Axenolith (CGovernment blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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That’s supposed to blow that way though isn’t it?

The ammo propellent? Yeah, it is. Out the top and bottom of the compartment.

11 posted on 11/02/2016 4:46:46 PM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: HogsBreath

I’m pretty sure I saw this same attack video a few months ago. There was a fairly long “visual” of the crew preparing the missile for firing. This video “cut to the chase”.


12 posted on 11/02/2016 4:59:16 PM PDT by Does so ("Oversampling Dems" means Soros' adjustments will give Hellery an acceptable landslide. ==8-O)
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To: HogsBreath

All tanks are vulnerable in the ass end.


13 posted on 11/02/2016 5:03:53 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: allendale

If the tank can be hit from the rear, you have to assume really poor tactics. It is VERY common for tanks to be vulnerable from the rear since the front is supposed to be toward the enemy, just like the friendly Claymore mine.


14 posted on 11/02/2016 5:18:50 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Red Steel

“All tanks are vulnerable in the ass end.”

Exactly. That’s why you have infantry.

5.56mm


15 posted on 11/02/2016 5:21:42 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: allendale

All Abrams needs is a black diaper.

All ATGM`s are guided by reflected laser beams. A black cloth wrap-around beamstopper reflects close to 0% laser beams.

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16 posted on 11/02/2016 5:31:35 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ((("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione."))))))
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To: IndispensableDestiny

Pops was involved with legislative liaison back in the late 70’s early 80’s when this and the Bradley were being developed. I remember all the BS WaPo and other outlets stories on them. He’d driven them with congresscritters in TX, and he commented to me one morning “if the Russians believe all that crap and they come through the Fulda Gap, they are going to be in for a big f****** surprise...”


17 posted on 11/02/2016 5:32:12 PM PDT by Axenolith (CGovernment blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: HogsBreath

I watched a pretty good tank movie last night.

It’s titled WHITE TIGER.

It’s a Russian movie about WWII.


18 posted on 11/02/2016 5:44:03 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Red Steel

Except for paint shells.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1eFePf6mWM


19 posted on 11/02/2016 5:44:55 PM PDT by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: HogsBreath

How do we know this wasn’t an abandoned vehicle, and this was staged? I mean, do you see the vehicle moving ...at all? Turret traversing? Exhaust smoke? Why were they just sitting there, skylined, with their arse pointed toward unsecured territory, waiting to get shot?

Not to mention, just because it’s American-made doesn’t mean it’s the same vehicle GI Joe would be riding in when he comes looking for someplace to stick his size-12 tanker’s boot.

Yeah, the missile flies pretty serpentine, but that’s characteristic of wire guidance (especially Sovietski wire guidance). TOWs and Dragons do the same thing, only less of it.


20 posted on 11/02/2016 10:18:09 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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