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{from Nov 2013} In Aleppo I only survive by looking Syrian
The Guardian ^ | 12 Nov 2013 | Francesca Borri

Posted on 12/09/2016 1:26:04 AM PST by Cronos

Since the rise of the Islamist resistance,.. Today my helmet is a veil, and my flak jacket a hijab.

Locals here don't refer any more to "liberated areas", but to east and west Aleppo – they don't show you pictures of their children, or of siblings killed by the regime, but simply the pictures of beautiful Aleppo before the war. Because nobody is fighting the regime any more; rebels now fight against each other. And for many of them, the priority is not ousting Bashar al-Assad's regime, but enforcing sharia law.

Aleppo is nothing but hunger and Islam. Dozens of threadbare children, disfigured by leishmaniasis, walk barefoot in the steps of mothers, covered in black from head to toe – all bowl in hand, seeking a mosque for bread, their skin yellowed by typhus. In the narrowest alleys, to dodge mortar fire, boys are on the right with their toy Kalashnikovs, while the left is for girls, already veiled. Jihadi fathers push with their beards, djellabas and suicide belts. In July, Mohammad Kattaa was executed for misusing the name of the prophet. He was 15.

... the outcomes are cases similar to that of Elizabeth O'Bagy, the analyst mentioned by John Kerry during the days of the chemical attack. In fact, she had just published through the Wall Street Journal a piece that essentially made you believe that the rebels were all good guys: that hardliners, here, are but a handful – because the problem for the US is that Assad might be replaced by al-Qaida. A few days later, while Human Rights Watch uncovered evidence of rebels responsible for war crimes against the minorities, it was revealed that O'Bagy was on the payroll of a Syrian lobby group whose goal was to pressure the Obama administration towards intervention

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Syria; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: syria
Why do people think that 2 years on anything has changed? Right from the start the "Arab spring" was "Islamist uprising"
1 posted on 12/09/2016 1:26:04 AM PST by Cronos
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To: SunkenCiv; odds; Lera

Ping


2 posted on 12/09/2016 1:26:19 AM PST by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

Barry was “cool” with this. May God have Mercy on us all.


3 posted on 12/09/2016 2:06:23 AM PST by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: poobear

There was a rumor yesterday that the SAA was sta ding down. I hope they don’t let the RATs out of the trap. They would just have to fight the later someplace else.


4 posted on 12/09/2016 2:17:37 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Cronos

Assad’s victory in Aleppo can’t come soon enough.

The monstrous jihadi ‘rebels’ are not on iota different from ISIS... despite all the fancy names. These are the folks McCain and the globalist/neocon gang tried to sell us as “moderates” and “freedom fighters”.


5 posted on 12/09/2016 2:30:10 AM PST by SolidWood
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To: poobear; Lera; SunkenCiv
Obama is directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of Syrians, Libyans, Egyptians and Iraqis.

The great American Nobel peace prize winner...

6 posted on 12/09/2016 2:36:26 AM PST by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos

Add Yemenis, the war no one is talking about because the saudis are doing the killing along with us, their mercenary military

Make clinton equally responsible - it was her state department and her depraved lesbian mistress and her muslim brotherhood handlers that derived our policy for the past 8 years


7 posted on 12/09/2016 2:48:59 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: silverleaf; Cronos

https://www.rt.com/news/369713-yemen-starving-to-death/


8 posted on 12/09/2016 2:54:13 AM PST by odds
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To: odds

Oh it’s Russia Times, just more Putin propaganda ( Sarc)

But they’re quoting OXFAM and the UN...

The only source telling the story


9 posted on 12/09/2016 3:00:26 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: SolidWood; Cronos

https://www.rt.com/usa/369702-obama-waiver-military-aid-syria-forces/


10 posted on 12/09/2016 3:07:41 AM PST by odds
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To: Cronos

Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International are extreme militant pro-homosexual agenda front organizations.

These organizations do not care about a child’s well being unless it concerns their sexual needs.

They pretend to be all about human rights when in reality they are only about sexual depravity.


11 posted on 12/09/2016 3:28:02 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: odds

It appears crazy... but retrospectively it was good that Obama won in 2008. With McPain as President we would be involved actively in wars involving Russia by now... from Ukraine to Syria.

And 4 years of McCrazy would not have given us Trump, but the total hijacking of the GOP by globalist liberals.


12 posted on 12/09/2016 3:48:42 AM PST by SolidWood
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To: silverleaf
Aleppo is nothing but hunger and Islam. Dozens of threadbare children, disfigured by leishmaniasis, walk barefoot in the steps of mothers, covered in black from head to toe – all bowl in hand...

Oil's sold on open markets - what national interest is involved?

Is there an ethical choice between Crips, Bloods, and Mexican Drug Cartels? Same in the ME. Islam will continue pumping out terrorists groups and monsters no matter what groups we stand with... and do it faster than we can throw our treasure and young at them.

13 posted on 12/09/2016 5:23:19 AM PST by GOPJ ( What group is paying for the thousands of new digital New York Times subscriptions?)
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To: GOPJ

I think the only ethical choice is that which brings the least 1) physical death and 2) spiritual death and daily misery and deprivation to the fewest number of people

That would make the Assad regime the ethical choice, with efforts to have him bring reform as a long term goal. Both Bashir Assad and his wife are quite exposed to western life and ideals by education ( him and her) and even by birth ( her)

The conundrum for Assad Jr. is reconciling the need to maintain social order and security without having to resort to vicious military and security service repression against vicious barbarians and foreign interventionists who used terror and murder against secular society in the name of islam ( or as allowed by taqqiya to call their subversion “ democratic reform”)

Too many state actors want Syria destabilized and chaotic no matter the human toll

Time to,admit that, call it, and step away from it as a U.S. policy


14 posted on 12/09/2016 6:10:17 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Cronos

“Elizabeth O’Bagy”

About her:

“She is a registered Democrat....At the time of the hearing, O’Bagy’s official biography listed the 26-year-old as “Dr. Elizabeth O’Bagy” and claimed she had received a Ph.D. degree from Georgetown University in Washington, D.C. Following the hearing, however, the Institute for the Study of War terminated O’Bagy, posting a statement to its website that read “Elizabeth O’Bagy does not in fact have a Ph.D. degree from Georgetown University” as she had previously represented to institute officials.
...Two weeks after her dismissal from the Institute for the Study of War, O’Bagy was hired as a legislative assistant by U.S. Senator John McCain.”

So...she’s a liar, an academic fraud, a registered Democrat and she worked for John McCain.


15 posted on 12/09/2016 6:34:39 AM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: silverleaf
...the only ethical choice is that which brings the least 1) physical death and 2) spiritual death and daily misery and deprivation to the fewest number of people...

I sense goodness in your comment so I'm reluctant to disagree with you. But this is a forum for the exchange of ideas... so here goes: take your comment and apply it to the issue of slavery in the early 1800's. Do you feel the ethical conflict?

16 posted on 12/09/2016 7:32:25 AM PST by GOPJ ( What group is paying for the thousands of new digital New York Times subscriptions?)
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To: GOPJ
No because I fail to see the comparison

The Syrian people are not slaves, they have elected Bashir Assad twice, his government is recognized in the UN which has never authorized a forcible removal and in fact has found war crimes committed by the “moderate rebels” and anyone with half a brian can look at life in Syria before foreign interventionists tried to spread “arab spring” there in 2011 - which makes what is happening NOT a “civil war”

Yes the Palestinians in Syrian camps hated Hafez al Assad for brutally suppressing their uprising, but I believe more of them were killed by the King Hussein of Jordan for the same thing

Yes the Israelis would prefer to see Syria weak and disorganized and the people being torn to shreds by foreign backed islamists and opportunists, but perhaps that is where our policies need to differ- base don my ethical reckoning

17 posted on 12/09/2016 8:28:23 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: SolidWood

True.
I remember his campaign throughout 2007 & 2008.
Some of his policies made sense, but his foreign policy seemed dubious.
He was a POW.. I think he is unhinged, which is understandable.


18 posted on 12/09/2016 1:41:04 PM PST by odds
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To: silverleaf

“which makes what is happening NOT a “civil war””

Right, it is foreign driven destabilization by capitalizing on avenues available, which leads to a ‘civil war’. Ultimately it results in keeping Syria weak. They pretty much did the same in Lebanon starting in mid 1970s. And, they had plans to do it in Iran too.


19 posted on 12/09/2016 6:38:52 PM PST by odds
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