Posted on 01/08/2017 5:23:35 AM PST by Kaslin
I disagree.
We are obviously on opposite sides, of this issue.
Which is fine.
One thing the Dems NEVER discuss is the number of people, who were quietly working and paying for healthcare through their employment, have seen their medical costs skyrocket. Their options have been destroyed and they cannot pay for what the Government orders. We need tort reform; we need portability; we need malpractice reform; we need loser pays.....these would go a LONG WAY to repairing our system. But the give-me-dats now have a system that they like and, thus, we still need voter registration where only citizens are allowed to vote. Obama has extended childhood to age 26, and my Socialist sister loved that. Obama has made it impossible for insurance companies to compete, you serve Obamacare or you do not. And a ‘catastrophic insurance policy’ pool would help those with pre-existing conditions. The middle class is being drained of their money at an alarming rate, paying for those who cannot be bothered to work......and yes, I realize there are a lot who actually CANNOT work and they need care, too. But a 10,000 deductible is ridiculous, the middle class simply cannot keep funding all the Democrat orders. Period. FIX IT! NOW!
They forgot the L in sick.
Many people do not realize that part of the reason that health care got to be so expensive (other than the lawsuits mentioned above) is precisely because the government got involved in the reimbursement of providers for medical care. I have been an instructor in a community college since the early eighties, but I was working as a medical technologist in a hospital laboratory prior to that when DC came up with the brilliant concept of "Diagnostic Related Groups" (DRGs). This meant there was a limited amount the government would pay for a certain procedure. If complications arose, as they often did, the hospital had to increase the charge for insured patients to make up the difference. The insured patients did not complain because THEY were not paying the extra amount - the insurance company was.
That is another problem with the current system. When a third party, be it Medicare or an insurance company, is paying the bill, there is NO incentive for the consumer to try to avoid unnecessary trips to the emergency department or to try to find a provider who charges less for a procedure than another. What has not been said so far in this thread is also worth noting-prior to Obamacare, the United States had the best quality health care in the world. Canadians and patients from other countries with government-run health care (which Obamacare was specifically designed to bring us) came to the US for health care - not only because of the quality, but also because they could get worse or even die before it was "their turn" to receive care in their own country.
The budget proposed as a “vehicle to repeal ocare” is 9.7 trillion. That’s not gonna bother any exemptocrat or the poor, only the taxpayer middle class.
Absolutely, get the government out of healthcare, those of us who are old enough to have experienced it know, if we are in touch with reality, that the problems that are real and not just imagined have come about with increased government interference in healthcare.
I simply don’t understand why so many cannot grasp such an obvious fact. We will never have the PERFECT system but what we had before Obamacare was vastly superior to the current mess which has the vast bulk of the money going for things that have little or nothing to do with actual healthcare. Our forefathers would wonder why we have gone insane.
This ill-conceived and idiotic obama/democrat boondoggle has come very close to destroying the much-deserved fame of American healthcare.
It has certainly sent premiums for everyone skyrocketing, with costs all paid for by YOUR tax dollars.
Average Americans are taking it in the neck TWICE - once for increased costs of their own healthcare and a second time to pay the increased taxes to care for the health of strangers - and many of THEM illegal immigrants.
Indeed, a great many illegal immigrants sneak across the border just to get care for their myriad health problems.
Yes, the free market, when all else fails we should resort to doing something that makes sense. Replacing one absurd government pipe dream which was designed to DESTROY a system that worked, though not perfectly, with another government fiasco is like trying to dig a reservoir with a slotted tablespoon because a teaspoon is too slow.
They have succeeded, that picture really makes me sick. By the time this group is done there will be very few democrats and there will hardly be any democrats in state legislatures.
The lunatics are running the asylum.
So how much of CMMS, etc. is a GOOD thing or do you even know what CMMS, ICD 10, or RVRG, and a book full of other acronyms even are? But you are convinced that it has been good? Curious.
The difference between us is I DO know what all that crap is and I think we would be better off without it. So yes, replacing it with NOTHING is better. IIRC that is sort of the definition of conservative. You know, less gummint?
Karl Denninger has correctly identified the problem and the solution on his Market Ticker blog, but the solution involves taking down some big-time GOP political contributors. Trump hasn't made any reference to doing it - we'll see if he goes there.
Exactly. Zerocare just changed the demographics of the uninsured. Rat voters had Cadillac Inurance for free. A guy with a family of four making $40,000 a year had insurance with a $6,000 deductible that cost $400 a month. In other words, no insurance.
I think that those of us that were adults during the Reagan years can appreciate the positive effects of getting the government out of the peoples’ way. Those that have been mis-educated in today’s government-run schools don’t have that experience and have been led to believe that government IS the answer.
How do you un-brainwash millions of liberal drones but by proving to them that what their professor told them is complete and utter BS?
Heathcare system isn’t broke. Paying for healthcare is and the only reason that is so is because the insurance industry wants it that way. Change the laws on selling insurance (allow companies to sell all over the USA), keep in place the law that insurance companies cannot deny coverage, punish companies harshly that cheat their customers and the problems of paying for healthcare will be mostly fixed. (medicare fraud is another thing that needs eliminated!)
“A $10,000 deductible is ridiculous”- yes, but it will take the entire year, usually, to reach that amount and then the year is over and you never get to utilize the insurance you are paying for. What did the insurance companies do with that money? Why, of course, redistribute it to someone else who doesn’t make enough money to actually pay for their insurance. The folks getting these subsidies need to understand that someone else is working hard every day to pay for them to have insurance (maybe not health care) and that we are being deprived of even utilizing the premium. I had 2 very unlikely trauma accidents this year, requiring emergency care and we had to pay for all out of pocket. I needed an MRI scan which would have cost $3000, paid for out of pocket of course. I didn’t get some of the care I needed because of the cost.
Make America Sick Again Vote Democrat note last 8 years.
The solution is the market. You apparently don’t like that. The FedGov has no business in this area. Medicare (and Socialism Security) are unconstitutional too (notwithstanding an insane Supreme Court decision to the contrary). There is NO enumerated power in the Constitution for either, nor for federally mandated insurance of any kind. There are two things need doing at this point and both are up to the states - allow insurance companies to sell across state lines and increase the number of medical schools so we grow the number of doctors. Otherwise, Americans need to pay for their medical care, with or without insurance as they see fit.
You hurt children.
You make children sick again with GovernmentCare.
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