Posted on 01/13/2017 7:54:34 AM PST by VitacoreVision
From CDC
In the decade before the live measles vaccine was licensed in 1963, an average of 549,000 measles cases and 495 measles deaths were reported annually in the United States. However, it is likely that, on average, 3 to 4 million people were infected with measles annually; most cases were not reported. Of the reported cases, approximately 48,000 people were hospitalized from measles and 1,000 people developed chronic disability from acute encephalitis caused by measles annually.
From UpToDate ...
Pneumonia is the most common cause of measles-associated death in children; it occurs in approximately 6 percent of cases [4]. Respiratory tract infections occur most frequently among patients <5 years and >20 years of age.
Pulmonary complications of measles virus infection include bronchopneumonia, laryngotracheobronchitis (croup), and bronchiolitis [6,18]. Measles has also been associated with development of bronchiectasis, which can predispose to recurrent respiratory infections [18]. Bacterial superinfection may occur in up to 5 percent of cases.
Neurologic complications associated with measles include encephalitis, acute disseminated encephalomyelitis and subacute sclerosing panencephalitis.
Acute measles-induced encephalopathy has been described in the setting of human immunodeficiency virus infection; this manifestation is rare [32].
Encephalitis — Encephalitis occurs in up to 1 per 1000 measles cases... Approximately 25 percent of children have neurodevelopmental sequelae; rapidly progressive and fatal disease occurs in about 15 percent of cases
ADEM Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM) is a demyelinating disease that occurs in about 1 per 1000 measles cases. ADEM following measles infection is associated with a 10 to 20 percent mortality [33]; this is higher than mortality from ADEM due to other causes (up to 7 percent) [36]. Residual neurologic abnormalities are common among survivors, including behavior disorders, mental retardation, and epilepsy
SSPE is a fatal, progressive degenerative disease of the central nervous system that usually occurs 7 to 10 years after natural measles virus infection. Its pathogenesis is not well understood but may involve persistent infection with a genetic variant of measles virus within the central nervous system [8,37].
Between 1960 and 1974, the estimated incidence of SSPE was 8.5 cases per million cases of measles. Between 1970 and 1980, the incidence fell to 0.06 cases per million; the decline paralleled the decline of measles cases as a result of vaccination (with a lag time of several years) [38]. Data derived from the resurgence of measles infection in the United States between 1989 and 1991 suggest that the risk of SSPE may be 10-fold higher than originally estimated, based on follow-up study of cases of biopsy-proven SSPE [39].
Donald Trump on Vaccines:
I’m not against vaccinations for your children, I’m against them in 1 massive dose.Spread them out over a period of time & autism will drop!
@realDonaldTrump | 4 Sep 2014
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/507546307620528129
No more massive injections. Tiny children are not horses—one vaccine at a time, over time.
@realDonaldTrump | 3 Sep 2014
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/507158396051927041
I am being proven right about massive vaccinations—the doctors lied. Save our children & their future.
@realDonaldTrump | 3 Sep 2014
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/507158574670573568
Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn’t feel good and changes - AUTISM. Many such cases!
@realDonaldTrump | 28 Mar 2014
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/449525268529815552
Lots of autism and vaccine response. Stop these massive doses immediately. Go back to single, spread out shots! What do we have to lose.
@realDonaldTrump | 22 Oct 2012
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/260412905361657856
I’m curious. If your child gets the vaccine, how is your child endangered by a child who gets the disease your child is vaccinated against?
As for what you do or don’t want your taxes to go toward, that line of reasoning leads to absolute government control and you should recognize that fact before taking such a ridiculous position. Do fat people cost you money via higher Medicare and Medicaid expenses? Probably. So how far are you willing to go to stop people from getting fat and sucking up your precious tax dollars? Limit their daily calories? Require stomach stapling? Just how far?
As for the parent’s guilt, not your problem, at all.
And note that I’ve not taken a position of the issue at hand, i.e., how to encourage vaccinating. I’m only addressing the logic you use to justify your own position, which is to take away my rights as a parent.
“There are non, period.
NOT TRUE!
When I took one of mine for a tetanus because of a head injury, the attending physician asked if my son had any other shots and I said NO WAY! Because of bad reactions to younger ones.
He said that I was a GOOD mother because his nephew had been permanently brain-damaged by the DPT.
The physician my daughter uses doesn’t buy the line either and her national champs have traveled all over the country and maintained excellent health.
If you choose to have you and yours shot up with mercury, aluminum, and fetal tissue from aborted children, go for it. Not for me and mine.
Trump is onto something here. I believe that eventually we’ll learn that some kids are, for genetic reasons or otherwise, predisposed to react poorly to vaccinations. Whether spreading them out will address that is not known for certain, but could well be the case. Other approaches might also be feasible.
Anecdotes should not be used to make a case, but with enough anecdotes you end up with data. And far too many parents, mothers in particular, have noted pronounced changes in their formally normal children in the few day following a vaccination. Something is going on, even if only with a small subset of the population of children undergoing vaccination.
There is absolutely no doubt that vaccinations are lifesavers and should be encouraged. But if the government requires them, over the objections of a parent, whether uninformed or very informed, that’s a step too far.
By the way the esteemed (in here, by many) reporter, Sharyl Atkisson, has done some good reporting on this, particularly in digging out the stories that controvert the government’s assertion that vaccination is safe and nothing to be concerned about. There’s probably a source in here if someone can find it.
This is the most ‘virulent’ topic on FR. I even had one freeper condemn me to hell and “wouldn’t even spit on me as I suffer burning in hell” for daring to say vaccines are a good thing.
Skip them at your risk, but don’t endanger others, nor ask tax payer to pick up bills. You get vacinnated, yes, you likely don’t get illness, but not always. You don’t get vaccinated, you get sick. Further, what about a baby not yet old enough or the vaccine? Now they get exposed due to your ignorance. Stupid. I’m not even having this discussion further. Can’t believe anyone is so stupid. Do you believe in chemical trails in the skies too? That floride is bad? That... whatever. Can’t have a conversation with someone using “conservative” as cover to be just plain ignorant and stupid.
As a practicing Veterinarian, may I offer a somewhat different perspective??? Rabies Vaccination is the only Veterinary vaccination with any legal requirement in most of the US. Although we know that a vaccination series develops immunity and protects our puppies and kittens from a variety of diseases, owners have the right to refuse any vaccinations -— no problem. In fact, they can refuse a legally required Rabies Vaccination -— I am a private citizen with no enforcement authority.
I face the vaccination choice issue on a daily basis. Many times, I get to see the unvaccinated animal back in the clinic within its first two years sick with a disease we might have easily prevented by vaccination -— especially Parvovirus infection, a very serious and often fatal disease. Too many times I have had owners cuss, cry, beg, and offer to pay any amount if I can just promise to save their unvaccinated furbaby that they love so much. Although I always try my best, too many times treatment is unsuccessful for something 90+% preventable.
I have even diagnosed active clinical Rabies in an unvaccinated dog owned by a fellow Veteran, and worked to get him protected ASAP to keep him from becoming infected with that horrific fatal disease. Thankfully it turned out well -— but if his dog had been vaccinated there is a 90+% chance he would never have been exposed at all.
Back when the Parvovirus first mutated from Feline Panleukopenia and jumped into dogs, a completely unprotected species, animals of all ages were infected and many died. Not until an effective vaccine was available, and a significant portion of the population was vaccinated to provide sufficient herd immunity between the active cases, did the Parvo epidemic subside.
Of course, parents should choose for their children -— but they must also be fully willing to accept the personal responsibility for a serious or fatal disease that was preventable, as well as the exposure of other vulnerable children. The fact that so many previously near-eradicated diseases are returning, and spreading through available unprotected populations, is a sad testament to our national immunity.
WE must be careful and cognizant about our choices -— because disease doesn’t care about opinion or politics.
From Gallop...
Additionally, a small segment of the population remains skeptical about the benefits or safety of vaccines -- including 9% who say vaccines are more harmful than the diseases they are designed to protect, and 6% who say certain vaccines can cause autism.
Similar results from Pew...
An 83% majority of the public says vaccines for diseases such as measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) are safe for healthy children, while about one-in-ten (9%) think such vaccines are not safe. An additional 7% volunteer that they don’t know.
Additionally the author of the article that you posted to start the thread is advocating parental choice to decide whether or not to vaccinate- not spreading them out.
NYorkerInHouston,
The mass media/liberals like to group everyone into two categories and the “spread them out” people get lumped in with the anti-vac group.
I bet the vacc poll has loaded questions. I’m one of those “spread them out” people who are “skeptical about the benefits” of vaccines only because of the way they are administered (ie: Super Shots).
I support parental choice with vaccines.
Mandatory vaccinations is tyrannical.
Well stated. My wife is a vet from the Army service as well. Getting vaccines is a no-brainer, spreading them out is a good point for discussion. It is pure idiocy that people skip vaccines, then force themselves, their children, their pets, and everyone else, to deal with the resulting problems. And the excuses in so-called conservatives the defenses are pathetic and laughable. The pain is not.
US population (2014) 318.9 million
9% of which would be 28.7 million refusing measles vaccine
Measles is highly contagious... from the CDC...
Measles is transmitted primarily from person to person by large respiratory droplets but can also spread by the airborne route as aerosolized droplet nuclei. Infected people are usually contagious from 4 days before until 4 days after rash onset. Measles is among the most contagious viral diseases known; secondary attack rates are >90% in susceptible household and institutional contacts. Humans are the only natural host for sustaining measles virus transmission, which makes global eradication of measles feasible.
Looking at a population that large being unvaccinated but likely getting measles at some point given the high infectivity of the disease would suggest going forward 500,000 annual cases per year (based off of annual cases of 3 million out of a population of 160 million in US prior to vaccinations)... including annually 30,000 cases of measles pneumonia of which 1,500 would have bacterial superinfection, annually 500 cases of measles encephalitis, annually 500 cases of measles acute disseminated encephalomyelitis and annually 500 deaths from measles.
This would result in increased expenditure in the health care system... a cost that would be shouldered by all.
If I find you one, will you change your opinion at all? Not being snarky, I'm just testing to see if evidence would cause you to reconsider your position.
Right!
You sound like a scared-stupid member of the Democrat genre.
When 2 of my kids were already adversely affected by that sh— I would be very negligent to subject others to the roulette of same.
Second, do you have any idea what the content of your vaccines actually IS?
I asked my PA when she offered the flu shot and she couldn’t/wouldn’t tell me but I’m just supposed to have blind faith that this stuff is GOOD for me?
Takes a bigger fool than me.
When the first one of my kids that was badly affected, both the doctor and hospital personnel LIED to me and said that my baby “just had a little cold” that had affected the motor are of her brain. However, when we went to start kindergarten, there were 2 other moms who had had the same horrifying battle for their kid’s lives and were fed the same BS. “THEY” knew there was a bad batch out there and kept using it!
And I’m just to shrug it off and believe it won’t and doesn’t happen again.
I don’t believe in tooth fairies either.
The main purpose of vaccinations is to provide a justification for the baby-butchery going on and very large paychecks for the providers.
If you haven’t researched the bad things that happen in your brain when mercury and aluminum and or mercury are introduced.....but them, maybe in your case, they already have.
Except that if your hypothesis was true, we’d already be seeing 500 deaths a year and we’ve had none (read the article) in the last decade or more.
Therefore, your hypothesis is not true.
What is true is some (note: I said some, not all) kids get sick after they take those shots, it’s just parents don’t put “2 & 2 together”, and you get “unexplained” Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) without examining if a recent vaccination may have caused a reaction that led to death. Since the risks of the shots aren’t known in the medical community, the pathologist wouldn’t attribute the death to them, either.
Which is why informed choice is the right decision in this matter.
This is a non-scientific comparison. The correct comparison is the death or injury rate from the vaccine to the death or injury rate of the disease in unvaccinated populations. The other item overlooked is the reduction in birth defects caused by infection of unvaccinated pregnant women. Boomers are the last generation that had siblings or schoolmates who were born damaged by Rubella.
The percentage of individuals currently in the US that are susceptible (virtually all individuals before 1958 or so likely got measles) and >95% vaccination rates that were present up until 2004 suggests a current susceptible population of only 1% or so. Given that there is no animal host for measles and that the virus was nearly eradicated from the US the rates of measles infections are very low at present the absence of deaths is not surprising... from CDC
Number of measles cases by year since 2010
Year Cases
2010 63
2011 220
2012 55
2013 187
2014 667
2015 188
2016*70
*Cases as of December 31, 2016. Case count is preliminary and subject to change. Data are updated monthly.
In general measles infections have been less than 1 case per million in the US from 1997 to present with 2014 being the notable exception. We haven't seen any deaths but infection rates are in general less than 1 per million at present (0.000001%) not the previous pre-vaccination rate of 1.875-2.5%
The mortality rate for measles is about 10% in undernourished populations around the world.
The low mortality rate in the US during various outbreaks is due to the general good health of the population and the high level of medical technology widely available even in rural areas.
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